Re: [OMC-Boats] Jeff D Engine drop off

From: jd <jdood@...>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:49:29 -0700

i don't remember having any rubber caps on my carb for some reason
(it's at the hospital right now so i can't look).......but just for my
own edumacation, what's the secondary carb circuit?

On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Thomas Klauber wrote:

> I was having a similar thing - run up to about 2000 rpm and it
> stumbles and eventually would cut off. I think it was a vacuum leak
> at one of the rubber caps - this would prevent the secondary carb.
> circuit from entering. Check those rubber caps for cracks or some
> other vacuum leak in the system. Tom K.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <omc-boats-request@...
> >
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:00 PM
> Subject: OMC-Boats Digest, Vol 29, Issue 36
>
>
>> Send OMC-Boats mailing list submissions to
>> omc-boats@...
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> omc-boats-request@...
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> omc-boats-owner@...
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of OMC-Boats digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Radio questions... (Justin DeSantis)
>> 2. Re: oil leak.... (jason cohn)
>> 3. Re: Radio questions... (BC Howk)
>> 4. Re: Radio questions... (Justin DeSantis)
>> 5. Re: Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control conversion
>> (Lee Shuster)
>> 6. Re: Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control conversion
>> (Scott Veazie)
>> 7. Re: Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control conversion
>> (Lee Shuster)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:40:55 -0400
>> From: Justin DeSantis <duc1098desmo@...>
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Radio questions...
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
>> <omc-boats@...>
>> Message-ID:
>> <5282a5b50909242040g6a54b6fen352834c8c063ec76@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Lets talk radios. Any of you guys know much about VHF radios? I've
>> discussed it with the guys on one of the boat forums, but they don't
>> tend to share the McGyver spirit we have on this list. So here's my
>> question... As we've discussed, when I got my boat, it had this
>> obsolete Loran system on it. I have no need for the Loran, but I
>> would
>> like to get a VHF radio. So I understand that the Loran and the VHF
>> use different antenna's. But I like the location of the Loran
>> antenna.
>> And it fold up nice. To replacate it with a VHF antenna would be
>> expensive. Is there any way to modify the Loran antenna to work with
>> the VHF? I'd really like to be able to.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:42:40 -0600
>> From: jason cohn <a36redhead@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>> To: <omc-boats@...>
>> Message-ID: <COL122-W34608DEC6B5089F0105DA9D0D90@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>>
>> I jus bought another 1968 rogue 210 II from a family that had owned
>> it since 1975 . To my surprise the HULL ID #S are 2618 and 2619 . I
>> checked the serial #s and there are 3 apart . What are the chances
>> these two brothers would come back together . both are the exact
>> same models down to the paint color . I now have the oppotunity to
>> pick n choose as to the best conitioned parts for my baby .. The
>> rogue i jus purchased has the original head in the boat too ..
>> Something mine was missing . I feel very blessed to have a pair of
>> evinrude boats manufactured over 40 yrs ago . I will keep you all
>> posd as to the progress of the brothers ..
>>
>>> From: Lee.Shuster@...
>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:52:08 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>>>
>>> CORRECTION! ALL 252's were EVEN fire. Sorry. I need to proofread
>>> more carefully.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...
>>> ] On Behalf Of Lee Shuster
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:14 PM
>>> To: 'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's'
>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why? But don't aftermarket manifold suppliers
>>> provide both even and odd fire Buick V6 intake manifolds?
>>>
>>> No Even-Fire OMC-Buick-Jeep-Kaiser were ever sold, including the
>>> 1971-72 OMC that were still based on the odd-fire Buick 225.
>>> There were both even and odd fire versions of the 231. The 252's
>>> were all odd-fire. Only the 225 OF was converted to marine use.
>>> (Later on OMC offered the 90-degree Chevy V6 in various versions.)
>>>
>>> I sent a link yesterday or Sunday from a place in Canada that
>>> listed all the various versions of Rochester 2-Jet's including
>>> various MARINE model numbers. I'm pretty certain you don't want
>>> an emissions-era carb on your application just because it might
>>> physically fit better. How do you really know for certain that
>>> your old carb is an OMC marine supplied original?
>>>
>>> If it were mine, I'd track down a used but serviceable 225 (odd-
>>> fire) intake manifold and get all the original OMC-style linkages
>>> and fuel fittings. I might opt for an electric choke, depending on
>>> the range of weather conditions I intend to operate the boat in.
>>> (Chokes don't really do much in 75 deg F weather.)
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...
>>> ] On Behalf Of jd
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:25 AM
>>> To: bchowk@...; Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and
>>> 70's
>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>>>
>>> ahhhh - it's an even fire 252 V6 manifold - ok. Thanks for digging
>>> that up. Nevermind the carb fit issue, but it shouldn't affect
>>> anything else with the engine performace to have an even fire
>>> manifold
>>> on an odd fire engine should it? The water and air are still going
>>> to flow around in there regardless of which piston is firing in
>>> what order right?
>>>
>>>
>>> So my bigger question is did the even fire's end up in any OMC
>>> boats? Was it just for cars? What i'm getting at is if there
>>> was
>>> a marine version of the even fire, then maybe there's a marine
>>> version Rochester carb out there for it that will fit the bigger
>>> bolt pattern and allow me to get rid of all those stupid adapter
>>> plates and
>>> gaskets i have to have to make the odd fire RC2 carb fit.
>>> Unless it
>>> was getting me some big performance boost (which it's not) I hate
>>> having that jury rigged home made crap on my engine. Even though
>>> it
>>> worked. But I LIKE having that extra water temp port on this
>>> even
>>> fire manifold, i'm using that port, and I don't want to
>>> necessarily
>>> go back to the "correct" manifold and lose that port. So If
>>> flying
>>> fish for example had a 252 V6 RC2 carb maybe i'd be set with the
>>> best of both worlds.
>>>
>>> I have my existing carb all boxed up ready to send back for a re-
>>> build, but now that I know what I have and can talk to them
>>> further
>>> about it all - thanks!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:01 PM, BC Howk wrote:
>>>
>>> > I second Scotts offer, I would enjoy the chance to look at
>>> another OMC
>>> > boat and compare notes...one of these days I think it would be
>>> cool to
>>> > do a "cruise in" out on the Willamette
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Glad you found your oil leak, I was concerned that you might have
>>> > damaged one of your gaskets looking for that rattling noise...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Your research confirmed my suspision, your manifold is for an EVEN
>>> > fire buick V6. The 225 ODD Fire is basically a V8 with 2 cylinders
>>> > lopped off as Buick decided to make something a little smoother
>>> idling
>>> > they changed the crank, cam and firing order, recycled pistons
>>> from
>>> > their current v8 production in 1973 an voila 231 even fire,
>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine
>>> > which settles another cuiosity I've had for a long time, an even
>>> fire
>>> > manifold DOES work on the 225, which makes me think the inverse
>>> might
>>> > be true......interesting.....You'r manifold will also go on the
>>> 252
>>> > evenfire.
>>> >
>>> > Looks like you are getting this all settled out...glad to hear it.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > B.C.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sep 21, 2009, Scott Veazie <scottveazie@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hey Jeff,
>>> >
>>> > Let me know if you need an extra set of eyeballs to look things
>>> > over..I've always found that someone to do a quick look over can
>>> find
>>> > something simple that I miss on my own..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ~Scott
>>> >
>>> > > From: jdood@...
>>> > > To: omc-boats@...
>>> > > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:45:07 -0700
>>> > > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>>> > >
>>> > > well actually here's the latest from my oil leak saga (had
>>> this all
>>> > > typed up but i think it didn't send - sorry if duplicate):
>>> > >
>>> > > bought 5 qts and poured the first qt into my nice clean engine.
>>> > > Literally as I'm pouring it in, its coming back out somewhere
>>> and
>>> > > going into my nice clean bilge! And where was it coming from?
>>> The
>>> > > lower edge of the port side valve cover, going behind the metal
>>> > > exhaust manifold gasket, against the black engine backround, and
>>> > > down to the bilge. The reason? In the spirit of getting things
>>> > > stock OMC where possible, I used some extra stock OMC nuts
>>> with the
>>> > > oblong washers attached instead of the regular nuts someone
>>> had on
>>> > > there previous. Thought it would seal better with those washers
>>> > > too. They felt fine tightening down - didn't notice anything
>>> > > weird. Yet what I felt was tight was actually leaving a nice gap
>>> > > hiding under the lower side, enough to let 4 qts out. As best
>>> as I
>>> > > can figure I guess someone must have stripped and re-tapped
>>> those
>>> > > holes at some point because the threads are just slightly
>>> different
>>> > > than original. I put the regular nuts back in and they went in
>>> > > slightly deeper and sealed everything right up. Jeez! Almost a
>>> > > disaster. I hate the fact that I was driving around awhile with
>>> > > barely any oil. Nothing seized that day though. And although
>>> > > I've never been through it, my understanding is that is pretty
>>> much
>>> > > the main symptom of extremely low oil - engine seizure. So i'm
>>> > > hoping because that didn't happen, I'm still ok. Not sure why it
>>> > > had to get all the way down to practically zero before the light
>>> > came
>>> > > on.
>>> > >
>>> > > Anyway, on that day, something else was happening on occasion -
>>> > > something i think was happening to someone else on the list in
>>> the
>>> > > past few days. I would be accelerating, get to about 1/2 plane,
>>> > > and all power would just drop to zero. Much like your foot
>>> slipping
>>> > > off the gas pedal by accident in a car or something. Engine
>>> didn't
>>> > > stall, just went back to idle - still in gear. So after getting
>>> > > the oil leak solved and everything filled back up yesterday -
>>> i went
>>> > > for a little test run. Now that occasional problem is happening
>>> > > consistently. Got up on plane a couple times, but generally, it
>>> > > would do it. Just all the sudden no gas or acceleration. I
>>> > > really hope (and don't' think) it has anything to do with the
>>> oil
>>> > > situation. I think it's some new independent prob -
>>> coincidentally
>>> > > coming up now just to confuse me. It almost seemed electrical -
>>> > > although the engine almost always kept running after dropping
>>> down.
>>> > >
>>> > > So I limped back to dock and am pretty much gonna call it a
>>> season.
>>> > > In the coming weeks I;m going to get a new carb on there,
>>> replace my
>>> > > throttle switch with one of those new ones being made, then
>>> give it
>>> > > another test. Hopefully before it gets too cold.
>>> > >
>>> > > Jeff D
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Justin DeSantis wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Not sure how helpful it would be in this application, but
>>> > there's a
>>> > > > method for finding leaks on motorcycles I've used for years.
>>> > Taught to
>>> > > > me by a crusty old timer. Get the area of the oil leak good
>>> and
>>> > clean.
>>> > > > Use degreaser and remove all the oil. Not get yourself some
>>> > athletes
>>> > > > foot spray. It sprays as an aerosol and drys as a white
>>> powder.
>>> > spray
>>> > > > it on all the seams that may be leaking. When the oil leaks
>>> > through
>>> > > > again, it wets the powder and turns it black in the area of
>>> the
>>> > leak.
>>> > > > Makes it easy to spot.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I tried everything once to locate the leak on a brand new
>>> Harley
>>> > > > Sportster. Found it with the spray. It was leaking right
>>> through
>>> > the
>>> > > > engine case. Bad casting from the factory.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM, BC Howk <bchowk@...>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > >> A few places
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> -Head gasket
>>> > > >> -timing cover
>>> > > >> -rear main seal
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Check with your auto parts store but I believe they have oil
>>> > > >> additive that
>>> > > >> is flourescent (glows real bright under a black light) they
>>> make
>>> > > >> the stuff
>>> > > >> for just this occurance (need to track the source of an oil
>>> leak.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Cheers,
>>> > > >> B.C.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> On Sep 20, 2009, jd <jdood@...> wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Setting aside my carb fit issue, today's to do list has one
>>> thing
>>> > > >> on it - figuring out how about 4 qts of oil ended up in my
>>> bilge
>>> > > >> during my last outing! Everything seemed to be going well.
>>> Had
>>> > > >> done a 20 min test earlier that day - no probs. Took it out
>>> for a
>>> > > >> real run with the GF later that day. At one point the oil
>>> light
>>> > > >> started coming on - turned off immediately and poked around
>>> > back at
>>> > > >> the engine. Oil all over the bilge area. But nothing
>>> obvious. A
>>> > > >> small drip from one spot on the valve cover gasket - but
>>> really
>>> > > >> small. It looked like just enough on the dipstick to get back
>>> > with
>>> > > >> so that's what we did later.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> So now a week later the engine and bilge are all cleaned up
>>> (2 hr
>>> > > >> messy job). And Im heading off to buy 4-5 qts of oil and go
>>> for a
>>> > > >> little test run and see what I can see. I don't get how that
>>> > > >> much oil could come out of the engine and it not be an
>>> obvious
>>> > > >> thing. So hopefully with the cowling off I will be able to
>>> spot
>>> > > >> it. Jeez - another close call - almost fried my engine.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> So here's my question - just to see if I'm missing
>>> something. The
>>> > > >> only places oil could be "leaking" out on the engine would be
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> - valve covers
>>> > > >> - oil pan
>>> > > >> - dipstick tube and / or fill tube where it connects to the
>>> block
>>> > > >> - seal around base of distributor
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> right? am i forgetting somewhere?
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Note to self: A black engine and a black bilge make it very
>>> > > >> difficult to spot oil leaks on a bright sunny day. Hoping
>>> to be
>>> > > >> able to paint my engine a lighter color this winter.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Jeff D
>>> > > >> _______________________________________________
>>> > > >> OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> > > >> OMC-Boats@...
>>> > > >> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> _______________________________________________
>>> > > >> OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> > > >> OMC-Boats@...
>>> > > >> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > > OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> > > > OMC-Boats@...
>>> > > > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> > > OMC-Boats@...
>>> > > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>> >
>>> > Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing(tm) now
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> > OMC-Boats@...
>>> > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> > OMC-Boats@...
>>> > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> OMC-Boats@...
>>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> OMC-Boats@...
>>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> OMC-Boats@...
>>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits.
>> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: <http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/private/omc-boats/attachments/20090924/2460cc1b/attachment-0001.html
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:43:11 -0500 (CDT)
>> From: BC Howk <bchowk@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Radio questions...
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Message-ID:
>> <1110799195.523094.1253864591380.JavaMail.root@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: <http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/private/omc-boats/attachments/20090925/21e36101/attachment-0001.html
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:09:13 -0400
>> From: Justin DeSantis <duc1098desmo@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Radio questions...
>> To: bchowk@..., "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and
>> 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>> Message-ID:
>> <5282a5b50909250509h2d0c4d46rf7c321444673f936@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I knew it was a long shot. Figured it was worth
>> asking though. I'll snap a picture of the mount today and shoot it
>> out
>> to you. Thats really all I care about, is being able to reuse the
>> mount.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:43 AM, BC Howk <bchowk@...> wrote:
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> I was an Electronics Tech in the Coast Guard for 10 years, so I
>>> know quite a
>>> bit about marine VHF AND LORAN...
>>>
>>> As I explained earlier LORAN works in the 100 KHz range (HF) and the
>>> reciever is simply that (no transmitter), marine band radios are
>>> in the
>>> 157-162 MHz range (VHF) the TRANSCEIVER both recieves and
>>> transmits, so it
>>> is important that you have you antenna tuned properly (correct
>>> VSWR) or run
>>> the risk of burning up your transmitter....
>>>
>>> If you are talking about trying to use a fiberglass HF antenna
>>> with your VHF
>>> radio...Sorry Dude, it just won't work. The LORAN antenna is just
>>> built to
>>> resonate in a different band of frequencies. Maybe some HAM guy
>>> out there
>>> has tried something like that with some sort of frequency coupling
>>> or home
>>> grown antenna rebuild, however I tend to think by the time you
>>> pulled
>>> something like that off you'd be better off to simply BUY the
>>> correct
>>> antenna in the first place. (unless you are really into antenna
>>> theory as a
>>> hobby)
>>>
>>> If you are talking about reusing the MOUNT and installing a new
>>> inexpensive
>>> VHF antenna, that is a different story, please send pictures of
>>> what you
>>> have, or what you have already looked at and I'll try and point
>>> you in the
>>> right direction.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> B.C.
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2009, Justin DeSantis <duc1098desmo@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lets talk radios. Any of you guys know much about VHF radios? I've
>>> discussed it with the guys on one of the boat forums, but they don't
>>> tend to share the McGyver spirit we have on this list. So here's my
>>> question... As we've discussed, when I got my boat, it had this
>>> obsolete Loran system on it. I have no need for the Loran, but I
>>> would
>>> like to get a VHF radio. So I understand that the Loran and the VHF
>>> use different antenna's. But I like the location of the Loran
>>> antenna.
>>> And it fold up nice. To replacate it with a VHF antenna would be
>>> expensive. Is there any way to modify the Loran antenna to work with
>>> the VHF? I'd really like to be able to.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> OMC-Boats@...
>>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OMC-Boats mailing list
>>> OMC-Boats@...
>>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:07:44 -0600
>> From: Lee Shuster <lks@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control
>> conversion
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
>> <omc-boats@...>
>> Message-ID: <F735F724-F678-4CA5-8A2F-4FF48C2DCC0C@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed";
>> DelSp="yes"
>>
>>
>> I'm slightly confused by your e-mail and photos.
>>
>> 1) If you are asking whether you can use your existing Evinrude
>> throttle cable on the Johnson control? Then I believe the answer is
>> yes, both J&E controls hook up to the same throttle cable.
>>
>> 2) Your boat helm wiring must be adapted or modified to incorporate
>> the safety lockout feature AND the Johnson remote control switch must
>> have 5-wires not 3. You didn't show the electrical connector in your
>> pictures or specifically say whether the Johnson has the appropriate
>> switch.
>>
>> 3) As you didn't save the old e-mails, you might not remember that if
>> the Johnson control has the improper switch for the later Hydro-
>> electric Outboards hooking it up to your electric stringer will
>> potentially cause lower case damage engaging both shift coils (F/R)
>> at
>> the same time. You can order the new five-wire switch from Hansen
>> Marine in Salt LAke City, listed on my site: http://hhscott.com/evinrude/sources.html
>>
>> 4) There is a very high probability that the switch shown in your
>> remote control is already defective or will soon become defective.
>> This is a well-known "achilles heel," of this remote control design.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Scott Veazie wrote:
>>
>>> <controls 1.jpg>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: <http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/private/omc-boats/attachments/20090925/c7f3be15/attachment-0001.html
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:00:07 -0700
>> From: Scott Veazie <scottveazie@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control
>> conversion
>> To: <omc-boats@...>
>> Message-ID: <BLU103-W240C69071AF7AD604F176CB4D90@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>>
>> Hey Lee,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the information, I'll clarify further on what I have.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bought an actual OMC Stern Drive labeled black box, one that OMC
>> sold to 3rd party mfrs for the electric shift stern drive, so it's
>> the correct setup. The guy I got it from had already tested it, so
>> I don't have to worry about that, for now. I plan on keeping my
>> Evinrude controls as a backup. This controller does have the five
>> wire plug on it, so I'd either need to not use the extra two wires,
>> or do the smart thing and adapt in the lockout feature. It's for
>> sure not a Johnson Hydro-electric, it's a true OMC electric shift
>> unit. I was mainly concerned with reusing my Evinrude cable, and
>> adapting in the five-wire setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> From: lks@...
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:07:44 -0600
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control
>> conversion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm slightly confused by your e-mail and photos.
>>
>>
>> 1) If you are asking whether you can use your existing Evinrude
>> throttle cable on the Johnson control? Then I believe the answer is
>> yes, both J&E controls hook up to the same throttle cable.
>>
>>
>> 2) Your boat helm wiring must be adapted or modified to incorporate
>> the safety lockout feature AND the Johnson remote control switch
>> must have 5-wires not 3. You didn't show the electrical connector
>> in your pictures or specifically say whether the Johnson has the
>> appropriate switch.
>>
>>
>> 3) As you didn't save the old e-mails, you might not remember that
>> if the Johnson control has the improper switch for the later Hydro-
>> electric Outboards hooking it up to your electric stringer will
>> potentially cause lower case damage engaging both shift coils (F/R)
>> at the same time. You can order the new five-wire switch from
>> Hansen Marine in Salt LAke City, listed on my site: http://hhscott.com/evinrude/sources.html
>>
>>
>> 4) There is a very high probability that the switch shown in your
>> remote control is already defective or will soon become defective.
>> This is a well-known "achilles heel," of this remote control design.
>>
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Scott Veazie wrote:
>> <controls 1.jpg>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now
>> http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try
>> bing_1x1
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: <http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/private/omc-boats/attachments/20090925/9200c27e/attachment-0001.html
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:47:07 -0600
>> From: Lee Shuster <Lee.Shuster@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control
>> conversion
>> To: "'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's'"
>> <omc-boats@...>
>> Message-ID:
>> <A862F82A5046A24EAAB14F5651B69AE3484384E923@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> a) Re-using the same throttle cable should not be a problem. Check
>> the illustrated parts guides on line to make sure.
>>
>> b) You can view the color wiring diagram for the interlock wiring
>> changes required between the remote control and the helm. Fairly
>> easy to do. You'll probably need to replace the connector with
>> something else.
>>
>> c) All the OMC OEM single lever controls and the Johnson single
>> levers are identical except for their decals.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...
>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Veazie
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:00 AM
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control
>> conversion
>>
>> Hey Lee,
>>
>> Thanks for all the information, I'll clarify further on what I have.
>>
>> I bought an actual OMC Stern Drive labeled black box, one that OMC
>> sold to 3rd party mfrs for the electric shift stern drive, so it's
>> the correct setup. The guy I got it from had already tested it, so
>> I don't have to worry about that, for now. I plan on keeping my
>> Evinrude controls as a backup. This controller does have the five
>> wire plug on it, so I'd either need to not use the extra two wires,
>> or do the smart thing and adapt in the lockout feature. It's for
>> sure not a Johnson Hydro-electric, it's a true OMC electric shift
>> unit. I was mainly concerned with reusing my Evinrude cable, and
>> adapting in the five-wire setup.
>>
>> ~Scott
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: lks@...
>> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:07:44 -0600
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude pushbutton to Johnson/OMC control
>> conversion
>>
>>
>> I'm slightly confused by your e-mail and photos.
>>
>> 1) If you are asking whether you can use your existing Evinrude
>> throttle cable on the Johnson control? Then I believe the answer is
>> yes, both J&E controls hook up to the same throttle cable.
>>
>> 2) Your boat helm wiring must be adapted or modified to incorporate
>> the safety lockout feature AND the Johnson remote control switch
>> must have 5-wires not 3. You didn't show the electrical connector
>> in your pictures or specifically say whether the Johnson has the
>> appropriate switch.
>>
>> 3) As you didn't save the old e-mails, you might not remember that
>> if the Johnson control has the improper switch for the later Hydro-
>> electric Outboards hooking it up to your electric stringer will
>> potentially cause lower case damage engaging both shift coils (F/R)
>> at the same time. You can order the new five-wire switch from
>> Hansen Marine in Salt LAke City, listed on my site: http://hhscott.com/evinrude/sources.html
>>
>> 4) There is a very high probability that the switch shown in your
>> remote control is already defective or will soon become defective.
>> This is a well-known "achilles heel," of this remote control design.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Scott Veazie wrote:
>>
>> <controls 1.jpg>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing(tm) now<http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try%20bing_1x1
>> >
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: <http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/private/omc-boats/attachments/20090925/272182ab/attachment-0001.html
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OMC-Boats mailing list
>> OMC-Boats@...
>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>>
>>
>> End of OMC-Boats Digest, Vol 29, Issue 36
>> *****************************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> OMC-Boats mailing list
> OMC-Boats@...
> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
Received on Sunday, 27 September 2009

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.2.0 : Tuesday, 29 July 2014 EDT