Re: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go

From: Glenn Comcast <glennhalweg@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:57:03 -0500

a.. Replacement part for Johnson/Evinrude Outboard and Sterndrive/Cobra Inboard/Outboard#395419, 582708 and Mercury/Mariner Outboard #47886

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  From: Gregory B. Fell
  To: omc-boats@...
  Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:27 AM
  Subject: RE: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go



  Thanks again for the comments. The Seloc manual had a flow chart that was very easy to follow for diagnostic purposes. The first check was for the solenoid (starter relay). It said to bridge the cable from the battery to the ignition wire. When I did, the motor cranked. Therefore, I have a bad solenoid. I happened to have my camera with me, so I stuck it in and took a few pictures of hard to see areas. Here's the starter motor with relay on top. Time to look for the part. Do you have any comments on the motor? Judging from the Williamsburg, MI (where I boated when I was a kid [Elk Lake, MI]) shop sticker on it, it's either been worked on or replaced.


  On another note, I had never been able to find my serial number before. I had my shoulders and head in the engine compartment, looked up, and there it was. I snapped a picture for my records. I recall someone on this site had compiled a list of boats still alive and kicking. If that list is still being updated, here's mine.





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  From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...] On Behalf Of lib1@...
  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:47 AM
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  Subject: Re: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go


  Hi GBF,


  If I had to take a guess, based on an identical symptom that I had a couple

  years back (also on the launch ramp -- as opposed to out on the Lake) --

  my bet's on the starter motor. It could also be be solenoid on the starter

  or it could also be the remote (slave) starter relay. Thar last relay is, I

  believe, interchangeable with the tilt-up and tilt-down relays.


  On the starter motor, the originals use the GM Delco 10MT (long/short

  mounting bolts) Marine-rated starter which is a 20+ pound hulk of a beast.

  They have enough mass to crankover forever without over heating. You can and

  probably should get the newer style GM permanent magnet gear reduction

  (PMGR) Marine starters. These have higher torque and weigh-in at less than

  half the mass. These are readily available from numerous suppliers. Try: They run

  about a $115, brand new. Be sure and get it complete with the long/short

  mounting bolt kits, as the old bolts will not work. Another double-check is

  to insure your Buick V6 uses the pre-86 starter mounting bolt pattern. The

  mounting holes on the motors are not staggered, as were later GM enginges.

  You could have the old 10MT-beast rebuilt, but in my opinion. it's best

  suited to bench pressing in the weight room. Why carry all the weight



  I would first make sure the remote (slave) starter relay is not suspect.

  That relay runs about $35.00 and it is a good spare to always carry onboard

  since the boat uses three of them. The new starter will come complete with

  the integral solenoid. I would hate to see you swap the starter and not

  check everything else: 1) Battery, 2) cables, 3) control wires from switch,

  4) remote relay, and 5) finally the starter. (Oh yeah, And don't forget to

  check those Prestolite alternator brushes, while your into the electrical



  Anyways look at the bright side --- be glad it happened on the launch ramp

  and not in harms way!


  Lee Shuster

  Salt Lake



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  From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>

  To: <omc-boats@...>

  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:09 AM

  Subject: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go



>I de-winterized my '69 Sportsman 155 two weeks ago in my driveway. It

> started right up and ran nicely with the flush adapter attached. I backed

> it down the ramp yesterday and turned the key --- nothing. We'll almost

> nothing. All I heard was a single click each time the key turned. It's

> not

> the battery. It's brand new and everything else electrical is strong.

> I'm

> pretty good at fixing things -- if I know what to fix. Diagnosing

> problems

> are little more difficult for me. Suggestions on how to proceed (other

> than

> taking it to a shop), would be appreciated. Thanks.


> Gregory B. Fell


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