Re: Re: Re: [omc-boats] battery support foam block

Good point, hadn't considered the boyancy of the air in the well...hmm

Oddly enough, gas only weighs 6 pounds per gallon, so the scale is skewed by 2.3 pounds per gallon, however, in my 69 the Gas tank is on the port side aft (just opposite of where you are thinking of putting in a live well) and truthfully, I do not notice vast differences between an empty and full tank (maybe a tiny bow raise and a little port list, but I will usually counter that from the driver seat on the stbd) and since, the boyancy is a function of displacement of the hull, rather than the foam,(under normal conditions) having water in place of the foam will only change the way the boat sits in proportion to the weight.

I guess the other plus of putting the well there would be that rigging the pump would be easier.

I suppose that if you insulated the well, you might be able to midigate SOME of the heat issues.

Here is an idea, rather than ripping out all of the foam. have you ever thought of just taking out the old "tool box" and strapping/mounting in a cooler, then just running your pluming and pump to that. The origional tool box on mine dissapeared long before I ever saw it and I have sinse strapped in a 22 gallon tub with a lid (I got it from a local camping supply store). Seems like a much easier idea to me. easier to take out and clean periodically too. and if it really does not work out for you, then it would be fairly easy to un-do and find a different location.

Cheers,
B.C.

>From: tpaquette@...
>Date: 2007/05/01 Tue PM 08:38:48 CDT
>To: omc-boats@..., omc-boats@...
>Subject: Re: Re: [omc-boats] battery support foam block

>I think BC is right. A live well in/beside the engine compartment seems to be counter to keeping the bait "live". Seems like something like a portable live well with some form of mounting bracket aft the drivers seat area would be best for keeping the water in the well while underway.
>
>Just my thoughts on the topic. I plan to do something similar as I reassemble my Sport 14 this spring.
>
>Let me know what you do.
>
>Tom
>Charlotte, NC
>
>
>>
>> From: BC Howk <bchowk@...>
>> Date: 2007/05/01 Tue PM 06:24:01 EDT
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: Re: [omc-boats] battery support foam block
>>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> Interesting Idea!
>>
>> Ultimately, I would tend to agree with Lee, it's a judgement call, However, might I also offer that with a live well it is you INTENTION to swamp part of the boat. A gallon of water weighs 8.34 pounds if you substituted all of that foam with live well area i'd guess somewhere in the area of 10 to 15 gallons, if you kept it reasonably shallow? So, you would be looking at anywhere from 83 to 125 extra pounds, all on the stbd/aft corner. While I don't think you'd sink the boat, I would think that you would run a little bow high with a stbd list.
>>
>> I have kicked around the idea of a live well as a possible project (way in the future) and always thought that I would want it up front, away from the engine, the heat and where the boat is already heavy. Since I have a '69 all I have up front is fiberglass with "bow rider" seats, so it would be a natural to build a box around a cooler (for a tank) and cover the cooler lid to double as a bow rider seat. I also thought would be pretty cool to rig up an auto fill/drain switch with a pump and some tubing.
>>
>> Alternatively, if you used a cooler as a base for you passenger seats? the trick with that would be to find a VERY low cooler so you wouldn't be sitting up like too tall Jones as you cruise to you favorite spot.:-)
>>
>> Whatever you decide, i'd love to know what you come up with. A live well would be a pretty handy thing.
>>
>> By the way, I use that ledge to keep a storage box and of course the battery, I personally would hate to loose that space.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> B.C.
>>
>>
>> >From: lib1@...
>> >Date: 2007/05/01 Tue PM 02:27:35 CDT
>> >To: omc-boats@...
>> >Subject: Re: [omc-boats] battery support foam block
>>
>> >This is an interesting topic. OMC was an "early adopter" in helping to set
>> >the industry standards for "level" floatation when swamped at full-rated
>> >load capacity.
>> >
>> >Originally this "extra" rear area floatation wasn't critical on the early
>> >17's and 16's with the relatively lightweight 2-stroke V4 outboards and
>> >sterndrives.
>> >
>> >But with the added rear weight of the V6 and V8's the rear floatation
>> >"blocks" were added to keep a swamped boat level.
>> >
>> >Mine were also fairly beat up and I removed them when I did the V8
>> >re-powering project. From a safety standpoint this may have been foolhardy
>> >and I don't recommend it. (The V8 added about 80 lbs) Is the boat now
>> >suddendly going to sink? No. It will mostly likely ride bow-high if it ever
>> >gets swamped. (I also installed a new (higher capacity) bilge pump with
>> >auto-sensor.) I also carry manual (hand) bailing pumps and buckets.
>> >
>> >It's a judgement call but I too, needed the storage space. And it also makes
>> >me think twice about getting into situations where the stern might take on a
>> >lot of water.
>> >If you boat does ever become swamped, try to move the passengers forward
>> >(but remember to stay with the boat).
>> >
>> >Lee
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Ryan Moore
>> >To: omc-boats@...
>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:33 AM
>> >Subject: [omc-boats] battery support foam block
>> >
>> >
>> >B.C. wrote "there is a ledge on the stbd. side where the battery and an
>> >accessory/tool box usually go."
>> >
>> >The foam that is directly under the battery and tool box, how important is
>> >this foam? Mice have gotten into mine in the past and I was considering
>> >replacing the tool box area with a live well.
>> >1. Will the foam save the boat from sinking?
>> >2. Do you think the bait would survive a days worth of fishing in
>> >this environment?
>> >3. Anyone have a better location for a live well?
>> >
>> >Ryan
>> >
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