good afternoon everyone . this is 69 sportsman 155 . I was woundering if anyone can tell me what kind of wood they used for this boat it shure don't seem like it was qaulity , for i need to replace mine for it is rotten i know i can go with hard wood witch i will ,but l guess i would like to know the original stuff , oh will a 350 buick fit up to that out drive . I'am currently rebulding the 155 so i can finish out the summer at least.thank everyone and remember safe boating ,goodday.
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> 2. Re: Help! Trailer wheel bearing size? (Doug Julien)
> 3. &0 Seasport Overheat issues (Ron Mathewson)
> 4. Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter
> (ANDY PERAKES)
> 5. Re: Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter -
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> 6. Re: Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter -
> Update (Don Mandelas)
> 7. Re: Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter -
> Update (ANDY PERAKES)
> 8. Re: Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter -
> Update (jd)
> 9. Re: Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter -
> Update (Nexi)
> 10. Re: Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter -
> Update (Lee Shuster (lib1))
> 11. Electric Shift Circuit Protection (Lee Shuster (lib1))
> 12. Re: Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter -
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:38:08 -0400 (EDT)
>From: ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Help! Trailer wheel bearing size?
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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>What kind of help do you need?? Just saying "Help!" doesn't give us much to go on.? I suggest you go to etrailer.com, trailerpartssuperstore.com, or trailerpartsdepot.com and watch some of the "how to" videos they have posted.? That's going to do a lot more for you than a bunch of guessing at what kind of help you might need.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Doug Julien" <dfjulien@...>
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:03:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: [OMC-Boats] Help! ?Trailer wheel bearing size?
>
>Hi all:
>
>My brother had a bearing failure on the factory trailer with the '69 Sportsman aboard. ?He's going back to the commuter lot today where he left it to replace the bearing. ?Is it a 1 1/16" size? ?Help!
>
>Fortunately this was *after* a great day yesterday with a cruise on Lake Michigan down to Saugatuck...so I don't feel too sorry for him.
>
>-Doug Julien
>
>--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Lee K. Shuster (lib1) <lib1@...> wrote:
>
>> From: Lee K. Shuster (lib1) <lib1@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Newer Upper gear cases
>> To: bchowk@..., "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 4:59 PM
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>> ?
>>
>>
>> ?
>> BC,
>> ?
>> Go online and look thru
>> the GLM catalog http://www.glmmarine.com/pdf/OMC_Catalog.pdf or
>>
>> call their office for advice. They have a fairly extensive
>> listing of upper gear
>> sets by year and hp rating. I'm pretty sure you can
>> interchange the upper gear
>> sets and housing to/from electric shifts: 69-71, 72-78, and
>> the later
>> cable-shifter 79-85 stringers, at least that's what I
>> conclude from a quick
>> glance at their catalog.
>> ?
>> I would imagine you would
>> be looking for the 21-19,
>> 21-18, and 21-17 "in-betweener" ratios. ?The
>> 21-16 is the tallest from the
>> Chevy and Ford 351, while your Buick's present ratio is
>> very close to 1:1,
>> either 25:25 or 21:20. ?If you go used -- then
>> you want to look
>> for upper gear sets from 165, 175, 190 hp stringers (ie
>> Chevy I-6, and 302 Fords
>> which are pretty common.)
>> ?
>> Lee
>>
>> ? ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> ? From:
>> ? BC Howk
>>
>> ? To: omc-boats@...
>>
>> ?
>> ? Sent: Friday, August
>> 14, 2009 1:58
>> ? PM
>> ? Subject: [OMC-Boats]
>> Newer Upper gear
>> ? cases
>> ?
>> Does anyone out there know what the difference is on
>> the upper
>> ? gearcase for a stringer post 1977.
>>
>> I've been toying with the idea of
>> ? changing the gearing on my sportsman and an upper gear
>> case caught my eye on
>> ? ebay relatively inexpensive (comparable to just gear
>> sets I have seen)
>> ? rebuilt with a nice 21-20 gear ratio but it says it is
>> for an 82-86 3.8 liter
>> ? V-6...OK, I have not dug really deep into my outdrive
>> research...yet, but I
>> ? haven't seen anything that explains the diference and
>> ?I am
>> ? just curious if I could use this newer upper
>> gearcase and bolt it right
>> ? in, I mean judging from every picture I have ever seen
>> the difference is not
>> ? immediately obvious...
>>
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> B.C.
>> ?
>> ?
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>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Doug Julien <dfjulien@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Help! Trailer wheel bearing size?
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>Andy, I was hoping someone here knew the trailer wheel bearing size. Sorry if the title of my post was confusing. Thanks for your reply and when I find the size I'll post it. My brother reports that he's tried 1 1/16" and 1 3/8" without success.
>
>I've replaced bearings before and watching some generic video isn't going to tell me the size!
>
>-Doug Julien
>
>
>
>--- On Sun, 8/16/09, ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...> wrote:
>
>> From: ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Help! Trailer wheel bearing size?
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 10:38 AM
>> #yiv208245697 p
>> {margin:0;}What kind of help do
>> you need? Just saying "Help!" doesn't
>> give us much to go on. I suggest you go to
>> etrailer.com, trailerpartssuperstore.com, or
>> trailerpartsdepot.com and watch some of the "how
>> to" videos they have posted. That's going to
>> do a lot more for you than a bunch of guessing at what kind
>> of help you might need.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Doug Julien" <dfjulien@...>
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's
>> and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:03:14 AM GMT -05:00
>> US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Help! Trailer wheel bearing
>> size?
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> My brother had a bearing failure on the factory trailer
>> with the '69 Sportsman aboard. He's going back
>> to the commuter lot today where he left it to replace the
>> bearing. Is it a 1 1/16" size? Help!
>>
>> Fortunately this was *after* a great day yesterday with a
>> cruise on Lake Michigan down to Saugatuck...so I don't
>> feel too sorry for him.
>>
>> -Doug Julien
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Lee K. Shuster (lib1)
>> <lib1@...> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Lee K. Shuster (lib1) <lib1@...>
>> > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Newer Upper gear cases
>> > To: bchowk@..., "Evinrude & Johnson
>> Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
>> <omc-boats@...>
>> > Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 4:59 PM
>> > ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > BC,
>> >
>> > Go online and look thru
>> > the GLM catalog
>> http://www.glmmarine.com/pdf/OMC_Catalog.pdf or
>> >
>> > call their office for advice. They have a fairly
>> extensive
>> > listing of upper gear
>> > sets by year and hp rating. I'm pretty sure you
>> can
>> > interchange the upper gear
>> > sets and housing to/from electric shifts: 69-71,
>> 72-78, and
>> > the later
>> > cable-shifter 79-85 stringers, at least that's
>> what I
>> > conclude from a quick
>> > glance at their catalog.
>> >
>> > I would imagine you would
>> > be looking for the 21-19,
>> > 21-18, and 21-17 "in-betweener" ratios.
>> The
>> > 21-16 is the tallest from the
>> > Chevy and Ford 351, while your Buick's present
>> ratio is
>> > very close to 1:1,
>> > either 25:25 or 21:20. If you go used -- then
>> > you want to look
>> > for upper gear sets from 165, 175, 190 hp stringers
>> (ie
>> > Chevy I-6, and 302 Fords
>> > which are pretty common.)
>> >
>> > Lee
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message
>> > -----
>> > From:
>> > BC Howk
>> >
>> > To: omc-boats@...
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, August
>> > 14, 2009 1:58
>> > PM
>> > Subject: [OMC-Boats]
>> > Newer Upper gear
>> > cases
>> >
>> > Does anyone out there know what the difference is on
>> > the upper
>> > gearcase for a stringer post 1977.
>> >
>> > I've been toying with the idea of
>> > changing the gearing on my sportsman and an
>> upper gear
>> > case caught my eye on
>> > ebay relatively inexpensive (comparable to just
>> gear
>> > sets I have seen)
>> > rebuilt with a nice 21-20 gear ratio but it
>> says it is
>> > for an 82-86 3.8 liter
>> > V-6...OK, I have not dug really deep into my
>> outdrive
>> > research...yet, but I
>> > haven't seen anything that explains the
>> diference and
>> > I am
>> > just curious if I could use this newer upper
>> > gearcase and bolt it right
>> > in, I mean judging from every picture I have
>> ever seen
>> > the difference is not
>> > immediately obvious...
>> >
>> > Anyone know?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > B.C.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:40:00 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ron Mathewson <ron.mathewson@...>
>Subject: [OMC-Boats] &0 Seasport Overheat issues
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>All interested,
> I got all the tilt issues work out, brand new battery and set out for another sea trial. Starts easy, idles smooth but was not accelerating very well and I attribute that to old gas and sitting for so long. After 10 or so minutes of putting along @... RPM I get the red "Hot Oil " warning lot on. If I slow it down it will turn off. I'm still getting a tattle tale stream from the outdrive and no other issues I can see. First question: Is that Hot Oil light a pressure or temp switch and where is it collecting the data from? I ran it a little longer after the light came on and it got real hot, but I have no way of know HOW Hot. I shut it down and had my friend tow me back in. Good news, it re starts so it's not broke inside. Oil pump?
>Any words of advice will be helpful.
>
> Ron Mathewson
>
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: adjust screw on top of shifter? (Lee Shuster (lib1))
> 2. Re: OMC/Johnson and Evinrude Shifter switches (jd)
> 3. Re: 1964 Sweet 16 (...and another) (jd)
> 4. Re: adjust screw on top of shifter? (jd)
> 5. Re: adjust screw on top of shifter? (Lee Shuster (lib1))
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>JD,
>
>The question you had on your JOHNSON/OMC single-lever remote control:
>
>I had an opportunity to grab a OMC factory manual from 1969-1970. The screw (recessed and on top?) is used to adjust the interaction of the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever with the N/S (neutral-safety) cutout.
>
>In other words, it is possible to (mis) adjust this so that one could never start, even a warm boat with the main THROTTLE lever in NEUTRAL, without first advancing or partially advancing the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever.
>
>Does that make sense?
>
>BTW mine is adjusted, so that I can always do a hot start in NEUTRAL without advancing the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever.
>
>If yours was mis-adjusted it might explain why you were encountering a locked-out staring condition.
>
>Did you see the link I posted to the $200 new replacement switch?
>
>Lee
>
>
>
>On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:05 PM, jd wrote:
>
>> hi, so for whoever is keeping track, got my boat out today for first time after weeks. temp prob was previous dilema, rewired about 75% as result. Ran around about about full speed for about 20 mins and temp stayed right at 160!! So yes, as I HOPED, knock on wood, but it appears the crazy high temp readings on 3 separate gauges and senders I have been getting for 3 summers now were ultimately the result of some funky wiring grounding thing. Wow what a relief!
>>
>> But of course, another prob popped up (although everything seems downhill minor from here on). Sometimes the key would crank and sometimes absolutely nothing. Tracked it down to the shifter. Pulled it apart, poked around, traced it to a prob with the Pollak switch that controls forward or reverse. It was sticking, and not sending juice to the white wire while in neutral. Actually went further and did some surgery on the switch - drilled out the rivets, carefully took it apart. All plastic, and a crucial plastic piece in there is broken in half. Have it in the vice tonight and am hoping I can glue it back together strong enough to hold. Not fun. Fortunately, Have an older shifter as back up just in case, but it doesn't have the ":won't start in F/R" wires.
>>
>> Anyway, on to my question - what exactly does the adjustment screw right above the red throttle lever do? it doesn't look broken to me, but seems to be doing nothing. Is it a friction adjustment for the lever?
>>
>> jeff d
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>OMG! I think entire shifters come up on ebay for way less!
>
>For those who care - my glue job held to reassemble switch, lubed the hell out of it, but as soon as I moved the little lever back and forth to test it broke again. Shouldn't have happened. But the fit with those little plastic pieces is so tight, i think that is what caused it to break in the first place. Too tight to rotate. Maybe old plastic shrunk a little or something? Anyway, installed my 1 yr older metal back up switch and everything seems to work fine. Haven't tested F/R at dock yet, but should be fine. That metal switch is nice and smooth, feels solid. No neutral safety feature, but oh well - just have to be careful and not start in gear. So this websites "new" switches for $195 look like they are entirely plastic. Not even the arm is metal. I would be wary.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Aug 14, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Lee K. Shuster (lks) wrote:
>
>> New Replacement Switch for "only" $195.79
>> http://www.sterndrive.info/electric_shift_replacement_switch.html
>>
>> Maybe Phil could add this link to the website?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Shuster (lib1)" <lib1@...>
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:07 AM
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] OMC/Johnson and Evinrude Shifter switches
>>
>>
>>> Jeff D,
>>>
>>> Yes the black knob is a throttle friction adjustment.
>>>
>>> But the switch you mention is worth alerting all OMC electric shift owners about:
>>>
>>> There are four different switches used on OMC boats. The dividing line was 1969. Two for E-rudes, two for Johnson/OMC's.
>>>
>>> Both Evinrude (push-button) and Johnson/OMC (single lever) and third party (like Morse) introduced the 5-wire Neutral-only starter interlock circuit, for 1969, most likely as a result of liability concerns, but I don't know for sure. (If you remember, a lot of federal safety legislation was mandated in 1968 on the automotive industry, as a result of Ralph Nader's book, "Unsafe at Any Speed."
>>>
>>> Prior to 1969 all remote control shift swicthes used only 3-wires and did not have the safety interlock. E-rude pushbuttons all have a mechanical sliding "aperature" that prevents operating the shifter buttons beyond a partial throttle setting.
>>> If this ever slips out of place, and prevents you from shifting (being stuck in neutral, at your favorite fishing hole, 5 miles off shore is not FUN!) simply carry your hand Phillips-head and pop off the cover surround the push buttons. This will allow you do move the slider back into place and allow you to now engage forward or reverse.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, the Evinrude design, while perhaps less ergonomic (it takes two hands to simultaneously move the throttle and shift, as in docking) is a more robust design, and the switch assembly rarely fails. Johnson owners aren't as lucky.
>>>
>>> The Johnson/OMC switches are a weak point and often fail. In fact, I've come across a couple of sources for present-day, aftermarket sources. A gentleman, in Portland, OR is rebuilding these switches and a Canadian source has claimed it has ramped up production of new switches. (I have no direct experience with either and I'll leave it to others on this list to track them down and have Phil add it to his website.)
>>>
>>> Bottomline is these switches are like gold. In either style, 5 or 3- wire they are extremely hard to come by. Supply and demand dictates market prices. Anyone who owns a Johnson should start looking for a spare today! You should locate the current third-party sources. Just buying a used control off eBay, won't insure you are getting a useable switch. About half of them are defective, or will soon fail.
>>>
>>> I've also got a little tip for 69-70 Johnson 5-wire owners. I find that once in awhile my 5-wire, will only "reset" properly if I "back" the throttle into REVERSE after shutting down the engine in NEUTRAL. I call this my built-in, anti-theft device, like having to know the secret key-code combination. Only problem with this little quirk, is you don't want a big barge bearing down on you when your forget the code!
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:05 PM, jd wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi, so for whoever is keeping track, got my boat out today for first time after weeks. temp prob was previous dilema, rewired about 75% as result. Ran around about about full speed for about 20 mins and temp stayed right at 160!! So yes, as I HOPED, knock on wood, but it appears the crazy high temp readings on 3 separate gauges and senders I have been getting for 3 summers now were ultimately the result of some funky wiring grounding thing. Wow what a relief!
>>>>
>>>> But of course, another prob popped up (although everything seems downhill minor from here on). Sometimes the key would crank and sometimes absolutely nothing. Tracked it down to the shifter. Pulled it apart, poked around, traced it to a prob with the Pollak switch that controls forward or reverse. It was sticking, and not sending juice to the white wire while in neutral. Actually went further and did some surgery on the switch - drilled out the rivets, carefully took it apart. All plastic, and a crucial plastic piece in there is broken in half. Have it in the vice tonight and am hoping I can glue it back together strong enough to hold. Not fun. Fortunately, Have an older shifter as back up just in case, but it doesn't have the ":won't start in F/R" wires.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, on to my question - what exactly does the adjustment screw right above the red throttle lever do? it doesn't look broken to me, but seems to be doing nothing. Is it a friction adjustment for the lever?
>>>>
>>>> jeff d
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>......and another one in Oregon......
>
>I drove by it, saw from a distance, have no idea of condition. It's in a used boat parts store yard with a bunch of other boats. yard is located at about 220th and Sandy Blvd in Fairview (basically Portland). I have no idea how rare those boats are but maybe it's a good find too. I actually drive by that spot all the time and would be more than happy to snap a few photos and post for any non-portland peeps interested on the list. Lemme know. Jeff D
>
>
>
>On Aug 15, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Ted Robinson wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> There is a 1964 Sweet 16 advertised locally for $400.00.
>> Anyone want me to look at it for them?
>>
>> Ted Robinson 1970 SeaSport
>> Terrebonne, Oregon
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>oh jeez. ok this is weird.
>
>-I've looked at that screw and associated parts in both the housings i have and it just seems to be connected to nothing. Hard to understand conceptually how the things does ANYTHING, but i believe you.
>
>- unless im missing something, this particular adjustment doesn't make a whole lot of sense. i'm confused. When would you ever need an adjustment that controls hot/cold starts and the position of the "gas" lever? That seems like putting an adjustment on a cars gas peddle to control whether or not you give it gas when you start it. Why?
>
>- now i am wondering if i really screwed things up and perhaps played around with that screw and that's what caused that plastic disk piece in the switch to break? I easily could have, but don't remember at what point i actually started messing with the screw. All i know is it was sort of behaving wierd. Sometimes cranking, sometimes not. And moving the red lever may have made a difference in there somewhere cause i'm sure out there on the water i was in a slight panic moving stuff back and forth. But I DIDN'T mess with the screw out on the water. Then at some point got it to crank again. Perhaps the red lever position? Then back at dock assumed i had some electrical thing happening with the switch. I think that's probably the point where I fiddled with the screw - mainly out of curiousity (as in "hmmm what's this do?")- while disassembling and testing the switch. The whole things seems weird and I'm still not really understanding
> that screw. But maybe i tightened it too much or something trying to see what it did, played with the throttle lever, and broke my switch? Really doubtful - i'm pretty careful. But it seemed to be doing nothing when i turned the screw. The shift lever moved the same, the red lever moved the same. Who knows.
>
>Nice to know that screw adjustment can completely disable your boat though. If a boat is not starting, that is probably the last thing anyone would check!
>
>
>
>
>On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Lee Shuster (lib1) wrote:
>
>> JD,
>>
>> The question you had on your JOHNSON/OMC single-lever remote control:
>>
>> I had an opportunity to grab a OMC factory manual from 1969-1970. The screw (recessed and on top?) is used to adjust the interaction of the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever with the N/S (neutral-safety) cutout.
>>
>> In other words, it is possible to (mis) adjust this so that one could never start, even a warm boat with the main THROTTLE lever in NEUTRAL, without first advancing or partially advancing the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever.
>>
>> Does that make sense?
>>
>> BTW mine is adjusted, so that I can always do a hot start in NEUTRAL without advancing the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever.
>>
>> If yours was mis-adjusted it might explain why you were encountering a locked-out staring condition.
>>
>> Did you see the link I posted to the $200 new replacement switch?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:05 PM, jd wrote:
>>
>>> hi, so for whoever is keeping track, got my boat out today for first time after weeks. temp prob was previous dilema, rewired about 75% as result. Ran around about about full speed for about 20 mins and temp stayed right at 160!! So yes, as I HOPED, knock on wood, but it appears the crazy high temp readings on 3 separate gauges and senders I have been getting for 3 summers now were ultimately the result of some funky wiring grounding thing. Wow what a relief!
>>>
>>> But of course, another prob popped up (although everything seems downhill minor from here on). Sometimes the key would crank and sometimes absolutely nothing. Tracked it down to the shifter. Pulled it apart, poked around, traced it to a prob with the Pollak switch that controls forward or reverse. It was sticking, and not sending juice to the white wire while in neutral. Actually went further and did some surgery on the switch - drilled out the rivets, carefully took it apart. All plastic, and a crucial plastic piece in there is broken in half. Have it in the vice tonight and am hoping I can glue it back together strong enough to hold. Not fun. Fortunately, Have an older shifter as back up just in case, but it doesn't have the ":won't start in F/R" wires.
>>>
>>> Anyway, on to my question - what exactly does the adjustment screw right above the red throttle lever do? it doesn't look broken to me, but seems to be doing nothing. Is it a friction adjustment for the lever?
>>>
>>> jeff d
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>Yup, I didn't realize it tell I read it with my own eyes. It's just another example of why it pays to RTFM. I cross-referenced and the Seloc manual mentions it as well, but in a slightly more confusing manor than the factory OMC manual.
>And OBTW, the 1969 OMC/Evinrude/Johnson manual doesn't mention the 5-wire units. But 1970 and newer does.
>
>Remember this applies to only the 5-wire Johnson & OMC controls. E-rude PUSH-BUTTON owners can ignore. Your "LOCK-OUT" failure typically allows you to start the engine, you just can't shift. (Covered in a prior posting.)
>
>My ski lessons got rained out today at Jordanelle Reservoir, near Park City. 46 F and 3-ft white caps at 08:15 AM. Never got of the trailer. Oh, well.
>
>Lee
>
>
>
>On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:04 PM, jd wrote:
>
>> oh jeez. ok this is weird.
>>
>> -I've looked at that screw and associated parts in both the housings i have and it just seems to be connected to nothing. Hard to understand conceptually how the things does ANYTHING, but i believe you.
>>
>> - unless im missing something, this particular adjustment doesn't make a whole lot of sense. i'm confused. When would you ever need an adjustment that controls hot/cold starts and the position of the "gas" lever? That seems like putting an adjustment on a cars gas peddle to control whether or not you give it gas when you start it. Why?
>>
>> - now i am wondering if i really screwed things up and perhaps played around with that screw and that's what caused that plastic disk piece in the switch to break? I easily could have, but don't remember at what point i actually started messing with the screw. All i know is it was sort of behaving wierd. Sometimes cranking, sometimes not. And moving the red lever may have made a difference in there somewhere cause i'm sure out there on the water i was in a slight panic moving stuff back and forth. But I DIDN'T mess with the screw out on the water. Then at some point got it to crank again. Perhaps the red lever position? Then back at dock assumed i had some electrical thing happening with the switch. I think that's probably the point where I fiddled with the screw - mainly out of curiousity (as in "hmmm what's this do?")- while disassembling and testing the switch. The whole things seems weird and I'm still not really understanding
> that screw. But maybe i tightened it too much or something trying to see what it did, played with the throttle lever, and broke my switch? Really doubtful - i'm pretty careful. But it seemed to be doing nothing when i turned the screw. The shift lever moved the same, the red lever moved the same. Who knows.
>>
>> Nice to know that screw adjustment can completely disable your boat though. If a boat is not starting, that is probably the last thing anyone would check!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Lee Shuster (lib1) wrote:
>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> The question you had on your JOHNSON/OMC single-lever remote control:
>>>
>>> I had an opportunity to grab a OMC factory manual from 1969-1970. The screw (recessed and on top?) is used to adjust the interaction of the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever with the N/S (neutral-safety) cutout.
>>>
>>> In other words, it is possible to (mis) adjust this so that one could never start, even a warm boat with the main THROTTLE lever in NEUTRAL, without first advancing or partially advancing the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever.
>>>
>>> Does that make sense?
>>>
>>> BTW mine is adjusted, so that I can always do a hot start in NEUTRAL without advancing the FAST-IDLE/(START) lever.
>>>
>>> If yours was mis-adjusted it might explain why you were encountering a locked-out staring condition.
>>>
>>> Did you see the link I posted to the $200 new replacement switch?
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:05 PM, jd wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi, so for whoever is keeping track, got my boat out today for first time after weeks. temp prob was previous dilema, rewired about 75% as result. Ran around about about full speed for about 20 mins and temp stayed right at 160!! So yes, as I HOPED, knock on wood, but it appears the crazy high temp readings on 3 separate gauges and senders I have been getting for 3 summers now were ultimately the result of some funky wiring grounding thing. Wow what a relief!
>>>>
>>>> But of course, another prob popped up (although everything seems downhill minor from here on). Sometimes the key would crank and sometimes absolutely nothing. Tracked it down to the shifter. Pulled it apart, poked around, traced it to a prob with the Pollak switch that controls forward or reverse. It was sticking, and not sending juice to the white wire while in neutral. Actually went further and did some surgery on the switch - drilled out the rivets, carefully took it apart. All plastic, and a crucial plastic piece in there is broken in half. Have it in the vice tonight and am hoping I can glue it back together strong enough to hold. Not fun. Fortunately, Have an older shifter as back up just in case, but it doesn't have the ":won't start in F/R" wires.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, on to my question - what exactly does the adjustment screw right above the red throttle lever do? it doesn't look broken to me, but seems to be doing nothing. Is it a friction adjustment for the lever?
>>>>
>>>> jeff d
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>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:15:37 -0400 (EDT)
>From: ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...>
>Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire
> Shifter
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>So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure the ski
>line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable wrapped
>around the drive.? Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend in the
>shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my forward
>clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine).? I have the late-1967 3-wire
>set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more than that
>given the conditions.? (I should add I'm on the water so I don't not have
>access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be poking
>around very much.)? If anyone happens to see this and has any thoughts I can
>try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it.? Even
>though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of shutting
>down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work.? Thanks!
>
>Andy
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>From: ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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>I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so its not the shifter switch or another break in?electrical power.? At this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in the water so we're starting to paddle.? Obviously a fried coil is one possibility;?can anyone name any other high-probablility possibilities?? Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ANDY PERAKES" <aperakes@...>
>To: omc-boats@...
>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter
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>
>So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure the ski
>line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable wrapped
>around the drive.? Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend in the
>shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my forward
>clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine).? I have the late-1967 3-wire
>set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more than that
>given the conditions.? (I should add I'm on the water so I don't not have
>access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be poking
>around very much.)? If anyone happens to see this and has any thoughts I can
>try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it.? Even
>though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of shutting
>down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work.? Thanks!
>
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>1967 Reveler
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>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:20:23 -0700
>From: Don Mandelas <dmandelas@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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>Since you have power all the way back then I guess its not a fuse which would protect the forward coil.
>
>
>
>Don
>
>1697 Sportsman 155
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:09 -0400
>From: aperakes@...
>To: omc-boats@...
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter - Update
>
>
>
>
>
>I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so its not the shifter switch or another break in electrical power. At this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in the water so we're starting to paddle. Obviously a fried coil is one possibility; can anyone name any other high-probablility possibilities? Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ANDY PERAKES" <aperakes@...>
>To: omc-boats@...
>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter
>
>
>
>
>
>So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure the ski
>line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable wrapped
>around the drive. Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend in the
>shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my forward
>clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine). I have the late-1967 3-wire
>set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more than that
>given the conditions. (I should add I'm on the water so I don't not have
>access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be poking
>around very much.) If anyone happens to see this and has any thoughts I can
>try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it. Even
>though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of shutting
>down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work. Thanks!
>
>Andy
>1967 Reveler
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>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:54:53 -0400 (EDT)
>From: ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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>Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.? I was a bit surprised there was no fuse -- at least not one outside the stern drive (I guess there could be one inside, but it doesn't show on the schematics and doesn't seem a likely place to put one).? What I didn't get to do was test the resistance of the coils so I guess that's next, but barring any big surprises from the group, it looks like I'll be taking my first foray into the lower unit.? It still seems odd to me that the coil would go so quickly like that, but I guess it's possible.? There's no sound like something chunking around or loose when I turn the prop by hand or run in reverse.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Mandelas " < dmandelas @...>
>To: " Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:20:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter - Update
>
>Since you have power all the way back then I guess its not a fuse which would protect the forward coil.
>?
>Don
>1697 Sportsman 155
>
>?
>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:09 -0400
>From: aperakes @... wideopenwest .com
>To: omc-boats@...
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter - Update
>
>
>
>
>I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so its not the shifter switch or another break in?electrical power.? At this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in the water so we're starting to paddle.? Obviously a fried coil is one possibility;?can anyone name any other high-probablility possibilities?? Thanks!
>?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ANDY PERAKES " < aperakes @... wideopenwest .com>
>To: omc-boats@...
>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter
>
>
>
>So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure the ski
>line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable wrapped
>around the drive.? Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend in the
>shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my forward
>clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine).? I have the late-1967 3-wire
>set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more than that
>given the conditions.? (I should add I'm on the water so I don't not have
>access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be poking
>around very much.)? If anyone happens to see this and has any thoughts I can
>try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it.? Even
>though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of shutting
>down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work.? Thanks!
>
>Andy
>1967 Reveler
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>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:46:03 -0700
>From: jd <jdood@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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>yikes. this strikes fear in the hearts of .......me.
>
>both the up and down wires are pretty accessible before they get to
>the outdrive stuff.
>
>a) any technical reason why a person couldn't put an inline fuse on
>both those wires just for situations like this? It would be pretty
>easy to do.
>
>b) any technical reason why OMC didn't back in the day?
>
>
>(there i go again, wanting to put fuses on everything)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:54 PM, ANDY PERAKES wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I was a bit surprised there
>> was no fuse -- at least not one outside the stern drive (I guess
>> there could be one inside, but it doesn't show on the schematics and
>> doesn't seem a likely place to put one). What I didn't get to do
>> was test the resistance of the coils so I guess that's next, but
>> barring any big surprises from the group, it looks like I'll be
>> taking my first foray into the lower unit. It still seems odd to me
>> that the coil would go so quickly like that, but I guess it's
>> possible. There's no sound like something chunking around or loose
>> when I turn the prop by hand or run in reverse.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Mandelas" <dmandelas@...>
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...
>> >
>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:20:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>> wire Shifter - Update
>>
>> Since you have power all the way back then I guess its not a fuse
>> which would protect the forward coil.
>>
>> Don
>> 1697 Sportsman 155
>>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:09 -0400
>> From: aperakes@...
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>> wire Shifter - Update
>>
>> I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so its
>> not the shifter switch or another break in electrical power. At
>> this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in the
>> water so we're starting to paddle. Obviously a fried coil is one
>> possibility; can anyone name any other high-probablility
>> possibilities? Thanks!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ANDY PERAKES" <aperakes@...>
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire
>> Shifter
>>
>>
>> So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure
>> the ski
>> line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable wrapped
>> around the drive. Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend
>> in the
>> shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my
>> forward
>> clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine). I have the late-1967 3-
>> wire
>> set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more
>> than that
>> given the conditions. (I should add I'm on the water so I don't not
>> have
>> access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be
>> poking
>> around very much.) If anyone happens to see this and has any
>> thoughts I can
>> try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it.
>> Even
>> though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of
>> shutting
>> down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work. Thanks!
>>
>> Andy
>> 1967 Reveler
>>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:28:29 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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>What fuse rating would you use for something like this? I could always measure the current on the wires but perhaps you already know.
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: jd <jdood@...>
>To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's <omc-boats@...>
>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:46:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter - Update
>
>yikes.? this strikes fear in the hearts of .......me.
>
>both the up and down wires are pretty accessible before they get to the outdrive stuff.
>
>a) any technical reason why a person couldn't put an inline fuse on both those wires just for situations like this?? It would be pretty easy to do.
>
>b)? any technical reason why OMC didn't back in the day?
>
>
>(there i go again,? wanting to put fuses on everything)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:54 PM, ANDY PERAKES wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.? I was a bit surprised there was no fuse -- at least not one outside the stern drive (I guess there could be one inside, but it doesn't show on the schematics and doesn't seem a likely place to put one).? What I didn't get to do was test the resistance of the coils so I guess that's next, but barring any big surprises from the group, it looks like I'll be taking my first foray into the lower unit.? It still seems odd to me that the coil would go so quickly like that, but I guess it's possible.? There's no sound like something chunking around or loose when I turn the prop by hand or run in reverse.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Mandelas" <dmandelas@...>
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:20:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter - Update
>>
>> Since you have power all the way back then I guess its not a fuse which would protect the forward coil.
>>
>> Don
>> 1697 Sportsman 155
>>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:09 -0400
>> From: aperakes@...
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter - Update
>>
>> I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so its not the shifter switch or another break in electrical power.? At this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in the water so we're starting to paddle.? Obviously a fried coil is one possibility; can anyone name any other high-probablility possibilities?? Thanks!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ANDY PERAKES" <aperakes@...>
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter
>>
>>
>> So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure the ski
>> line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable wrapped
>> around the drive.? Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend in the
>> shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my forward
>> clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine).? I have the late-1967 3-wire
>> set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more than that
>> given the conditions.? (I should add I'm on the water so I don't not have
>> access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be poking
>> around very much.)? If anyone happens to see this and has any thoughts I can
>> try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it.? Even
>> though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of shutting
>> down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work.? Thanks!
>>
>> Andy
>> 1967 Reveler
>>
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>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:58:13 -0600
>From: "Lee Shuster (lib1)" <lib1@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
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>First check the forward and reverse coils (one at a time with an
>ohmeter, out of circuit.)
>
>A good coil will read between 4.5 and 6.5 ohms.
>
>Most likely the electrical coil is okay but the spring tab has broken
>off.
>
>I wouldn't recommend fuse-protecting the coils, but you can calculate
>the current flow in amps using Ohm's law. I generally see 2 to 3 amps
>current draw on my digital ohmeter, when shifting with the motor not
>running and battery at approximately 12.3 volts.
>
>Lee
>
>
>On Aug 16, 2009, at 10:46 PM, jd wrote:
>
>> yikes. this strikes fear in the hearts of .......me.
>>
>> both the up and down wires are pretty accessible before they get to
>> the outdrive stuff.
>>
>> a) any technical reason why a person couldn't put an inline fuse on
>> both those wires just for situations like this? It would be pretty
>> easy to do.
>>
>> b) any technical reason why OMC didn't back in the day?
>>
>>
>> (there i go again, wanting to put fuses on everything)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:54 PM, ANDY PERAKES wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I was a bit surprised there
>>> was no fuse -- at least not one outside the stern drive (I guess
>>> there could be one inside, but it doesn't show on the schematics
>>> and doesn't seem a likely place to put one). What I didn't get to
>>> do was test the resistance of the coils so I guess that's next, but
>>> barring any big surprises from the group, it looks like I'll be
>>> taking my first foray into the lower unit. It still seems odd to
>>> me that the coil would go so quickly like that, but I guess it's
>>> possible. There's no sound like something chunking around or loose
>>> when I turn the prop by hand or run in reverse.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Don Mandelas" <dmandelas@...>
>>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...
>>> >
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:20:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>>> wire Shifter - Update
>>>
>>> Since you have power all the way back then I guess its not a fuse
>>> which would protect the forward coil.
>>>
>>> Don
>>> 1697 Sportsman 155
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:09 -0400
>>> From: aperakes@...
>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>>> wire Shifter - Update
>>>
>>> I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so
>>> its not the shifter switch or another break in electrical power.
>>> At this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in the
>>> water so we're starting to paddle. Obviously a fried coil is one
>>> possibility; can anyone name any other high-probablility
>>> possibilities? Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ANDY PERAKES" <aperakes@...>
>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>>> wire Shifter
>>>
>>>
>>> So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure
>>> the ski
>>> line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable
>>> wrapped
>>> around the drive. Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend
>>> in the
>>> shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my
>>> forward
>>> clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine). I have the late-1967 3-
>>> wire
>>> set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more
>>> than that
>>> given the conditions. (I should add I'm on the water so I don't
>>> not have
>>> access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be
>>> poking
>>> around very much.) If anyone happens to see this and has any
>>> thoughts I can
>>> try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it.
>>> Even
>>> though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of
>>> shutting
>>> down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> 1967 Reveler
>>>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:44:40 -0600
>From: "Lee Shuster (lib1)" <lib1@...>
>Subject: [OMC-Boats] Electric Shift Circuit Protection
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
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>There are probably some sound reason why OMC engineers did not choose
>to provide specific fuse-protection on the isolated shift coil circuit.
>
>a) The circuit is already protected by the 20-amp IGNITION circuit
>fuse, as the the engine coil/distributor.
>
>b) They use their 7-position fuse distribution panel, which was
>already provisioned.
>
>c) You want the "cleanest" least resistive circuit path. That means
>the closet thing to a straight wire. That's because marine
>environments can be brutal on electrical systems and wiring, and in
>particular on connectors and junctions.
>If you add two more fuses you add at least four more junction points,
>at the very least. And the current drain of each shift coil is
>relatively small. And the shift coil device design is well insulated
>and protected in the lower unit.
>The last thing you want is losing electrical power to the coil while
>underway. If the current setup encounters a DEAD SHORT, it will blow
>the IGNITION fuse and your engine will not over-rev in fact in will
>shutdown immediately.
>If you added a shifter fuse and it OPENED up while under way, you risk
>a lot more than the shifter coil.
>
>d) The mod you SHOULD all consider is this: Add a GROUND strap
>between the lower unit and the intermediate case. Make sure your
>intermediate case is well grounded to the engine block and the battery
>ground. We tend to forget that ground paths are equally important to
>operational efficiency. Also, clean and inspect the two KNIVE BLADE
>connectors that feed the shifter coil and them seal them against
>moisture intrusion with brush-on tape or RTV silicon. These
>connectors are rather out of sight and out of mind. You will locate
>them in the vicinity of the tilt motor near the transom on the Port
>side.
>
>Lee
>
>
>
>On Aug 17, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Lee Shuster (lib1) wrote:
>
>>
>> First check the forward and reverse coils (one at a time with an
>> ohmeter, out of circuit.)
>>
>> A good coil will read between 4.5 and 6.5 ohms.
>>
>> Most likely the electrical coil is okay but the spring tab has
>> broken off.
>>
>> I wouldn't recommend fuse-protecting the coils, but you can
>> calculate the current flow in amps using Ohm's law. I generally see
>> 2 to 3 amps current draw on my digital ohmeter, when shifting with
>> the motor not running and battery at approximately 12.3 volts.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2009, at 10:46 PM, jd wrote:
>>
>>> yikes. this strikes fear in the hearts of .......me.
>>>
>>> both the up and down wires are pretty accessible before they get to
>>> the outdrive stuff.
>>>
>>> a) any technical reason why a person couldn't put an inline fuse on
>>> both those wires just for situations like this? It would be
>>> pretty easy to do.
>>>
>>> b) any technical reason why OMC didn't back in the day?
>>>
>>>
>>> (there i go again, wanting to put fuses on everything)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:54 PM, ANDY PERAKES wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I was a bit surprised there
>>>> was no fuse -- at least not one outside the stern drive (I guess
>>>> there could be one inside, but it doesn't show on the schematics
>>>> and doesn't seem a likely place to put one). What I didn't get to
>>>> do was test the resistance of the coils so I guess that's next,
>>>> but barring any big surprises from the group, it looks like I'll
>>>> be taking my first foray into the lower unit. It still seems odd
>>>> to me that the coil would go so quickly like that, but I guess
>>>> it's possible. There's no sound like something chunking around or
>>>> loose when I turn the prop by hand or run in reverse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Don Mandelas" <dmandelas@...>
>>>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...
>>>> >
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:20:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>>>> Eastern
>>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
>>>> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>>>>
>>>> Since you have power all the way back then I guess its not a fuse
>>>> which would protect the forward coil.
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>> 1697 Sportsman 155
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:09 -0400
>>>> From: aperakes@...
>>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
>>>> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>>>>
>>>> I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so
>>>> its not the shifter switch or another break in electrical power.
>>>> At this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in
>>>> the water so we're starting to paddle. Obviously a fried coil is
>>>> one possibility; can anyone name any other high-probablility
>>>> possibilities? Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "ANDY PERAKES" <aperakes@...>
>>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>>>> Eastern
>>>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>>>> wire Shifter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to
>>>> ensure the ski
>>>> line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable
>>>> wrapped
>>>> around the drive. Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend
>>>> in the
>>>> shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my
>>>> forward
>>>> clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine). I have the late-1967 3-
>>>> wire
>>>> set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more
>>>> than that
>>>> given the conditions. (I should add I'm on the water so I don't
>>>> not have
>>>> access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to
>>>> be poking
>>>> around very much.) If anyone happens to see this and has any
>>>> thoughts I can
>>>> try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate
>>>> it. Even
>>>> though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of
>>>> shutting
>>>> down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>> 1967 Reveler
>>>>
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>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT)
>From: ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...>
>Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967
> 3-wire Shifter - Update
>To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
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>
>Thanks, Lee.? I just realized my earlier reply to Don went only to him, but I was able to walk my wife through measuring the coil over the phone this morning.? Unfortunately I only have a cheap multimeter with 10k or 1k scales so both readings of "0" could effectively have been "0" else 4.5 - 6.5 ohms on that scale.? If I can get the parts this week, I feel fairly confident I can do the repairs next weekend.??I think my two biggest concerns are:
>
>
>
>1)? Do I need any special tools to get it apart and put it back together?
>
>2)? Getting parts (especially not know what part(s) failed)
>
>
>
>I lost all of my special tools (gear/bearing pullers, clip spreaders, etc.) with my Dad's toolbox (long story so let's just say I hope none of you ever have to experience the horrors of Alzeheimer's ) and I?only have a limited tool set at the lake.? It was late by the time we got back in?so I?ended up leaving my whole rig there (including manuals - d'oh!);?if you think its the spring tab that broke and I can find one for a reasonable price, I just assume get one now (I have much better luck finding parts near Detroit vs. the small town in Ontario where I boat).? Its not just the repair costs, but if I have to depend on a shop, my season will most likely be over and? August is the best month around here.??Is this spring tab part of the?spring itself, i.e. I need to find a spring pack?? While I'm waiting for my wife to bring my manuals back, I'll try pulling?the part #s from the BRP site in hopes of tracking?parts down after work? today (Michigan Marine Gear usually has this k!
> ind of stuff in stock) .?? What about gaskets, springs, circlips , etc. -- anything else you think I'll need?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lee Shuster (lib1)" <lib1@... hhscott .com>
>To: " Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...>
>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:58:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: Re: [ OMC -Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-wire Shifter - Update
>
>
>First check the forward and reverse coils (one at a time with an ?
>ohmeter , out of circuit.)
>
>A good coil will read between 4.5 and 6.5 ohms.
>
>Most likely the electrical coil is okay but the spring tab has broken ?
>off.
>
>I wouldn't recommend fuse-protecting the coils, but you can calculate ?
>the current flow in amps using Ohm's law. I generally see 2 to 3 amps ?
>current draw on my digital ohmeter , when shifting with the motor not ?
>running and battery at approximately 12.3 volts.
>
>Lee
>
>
>On Aug 16, 2009, at 10:46 PM, jd wrote:
>
>> yikes. ? this strikes fear in the hearts of .......me.
>>
>> both the up and down wires are pretty accessible before they get to ?
>> the outdrive stuff.
>>
>> a) any technical reason why a person couldn't put an inline fuse on ?
>> both those wires just for situations like this? ? It would be pretty ?
>> easy to do.
>>
>> b) ?any technical reason why OMC didn't back in the day?
>>
>>
>> (there i go again, ?wanting to put fuses on everything)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:54 PM, ANDY PERAKES wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. ?I was a bit surprised there ?
>>> was no fuse -- at least not one outside the stern drive (I guess ?
>>> there could be one inside, but it doesn't show on the schematics ?
>>> and doesn't seem a likely place to put one). ?What I didn't get to ?
>>> do was test the resistance of the coils so I guess that's next, but ?
>>> barring any big surprises from the group, it looks like I'll be ?
>>> taking my first foray into the lower unit. ?It still seems odd to ?
>>> me that the coil would go so quickly like that, but I guess it's ?
>>> possible. ?There's no sound like something chunking around or loose ?
>>> when I turn the prop by hand or run in reverse.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Don Mandelas " < dmandelas @...>
>>> To: " Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's" <omc-boats@...
>>> >
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:20:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [ OMC -Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>>> wire Shifter - Update
>>>
>>> Since you have power all the way back then I guess its not a fuse ?
>>> which would protect the forward coil.
>>>
>>> Don
>>> 1697 Sportsman 155
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:09 -0400
>>> From: aperakes @... wideopenwest .com
>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>> Subject: Re: [ OMC -Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>>> wire Shifter - Update
>>>
>>> I was able to trace power all the way back to the stern drive so ?
>>> its not the shifter switch or another break in electrical power. ?
>>> At this point it doesn't appear to be something I can repair in the ?
>>> water so we're starting to paddle. ?Obviously a fried coil is one ?
>>> possibility; can anyone name any other high-probablility ?
>>> possibilities? ?Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ANDY PERAKES " < aperakes @... wideopenwest .com>
>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: [ OMC -Boats] Forward Clutch Won't Engage on Late-1967 3-
>>> wire Shifter
>>>
>>>
>>> So once again I made the mistake of trusting someone else to ensure ?
>>> the ski
>>> line was clear of the drive and once again got a harness cable ?
>>> wrapped
>>> around the drive. ?Only a small ding in the prop and a slight bend ?
>>> in the
>>> shear pin (for which I had a spare and easily changed), but now my ?
>>> forward
>>> clutch won't engage (reverse work's fine). ?I have the late-1967 3-
>>> wire
>>> set-up out of the shifter, but unfortunately I can't see any more ?
>>> than that
>>> given the conditions. ?(I should add I'm on the water so I don't ?
>>> not have
>>> access to any manuals, limited tools, and its a bit too rocky to be ?
>>> poking
>>> around very much.) ?If anyone happens to see this and has any ?
>>> thoughts I can
>>> try before giving up and paddling back in, I'd sure appreciate it. ?
>>> Even
>>> though I have a 3-wire, I've already tried Lee's 5-wire trick of ?
>>> shutting
>>> down in neutral and backing in reverse; didn't work. ?Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> 1967 Reveler
>>>
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>>> list OMC -Boats@... http ://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/ listinfo /omc-boats
>>>
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