Hi, I would just like to toss into the mix that my boat acted the same way until I cleaned the spark arrestor. It was starved for air and would not plane out. After I cleaned it the boat ran well.
Ed
---- jd <jdood@...> wrote:
>
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Lee Shuster wrote:
>
> > >> So, sorry to be so redundant....but
> > >> the red wire to the pos of coil as it is now, same as going
> > straight to the ignition?
> >
> > It appears to be OKAY...I wouldn't change this.
> >
> > >> no! and i've alway wondered why. asked mechanic and got the "u
> > >> don't need that" answer. i'll put a hose on it. where does the
> > >> other end go? any noticeable difference with and without in
> > running?
> >
> > Come to think about it, I don't recall if mine was ever hooked up.
> > Don't worry about it.
> >
> > >> so with all this in mind.......in theory, since it starts, ran
> > great
> > >> for first 20 minutes, since electronic points, since no dwell to
> > >> adjust........the weird acceleration stuff i am experiencing
> > >> (mentioned in todays separate email) should NOT be having to do
> > with
> > >> timing? The ballast resistor is still in use. If I had the
> > type
> > >> of pertronix that DIDN'T require the BR, yet mine was in
> > accidentally
> > >> in use anyway....would that cause any noticeable running probs?
> >
> > Hard to say, but your mechanical advance looks like it could cause
> > some problems. Check it out for it's ability to freely move and
> > clean it.
> >
> > Remember my prior e-mails expalined how to determine which type coil
> > you have by measuring the coil's internal primary reistance with all
> > wires removed using an ohm meter.
> >
>
> ugh......ohm meter.....ok, i'll dive into that next week - haha! am
> perfectly comfortable with a tester light, but the whole measuring of
> how well current passes through a wire with out actually testing
> without actually having current passing through it loses me. and
> which of the 1000 notches to set to ohm meter dial loses me. and
> trying to decifer 12 pages of fine print in the manual about how to
> use it loses me. So i put it away and get my tester light back out.
> > My guess is your coil and ballast are fine. Not knowing the
> > condition of your SECONDARY HT circuit (COIL, WIRE, DISTRIBUTOR CAP,
> > ROTOR, and proper Firing ORDER , SPARK PLUGS) makes it difficult to
> > rule out all ignition-related causes, but it sounds like you may
> > still have fuel-related issues.
> >
> yeah, most of that stuff was replaced with as new last summer. so
> it's looking like a fuel starvation kinda thing? It's when I'm
> trying to get up on plane and there's a lot of strain on the engine -
> that's when it bogs and the carb hisses. what exactly is that
> hissing noise? Air escaping obviously, but normal sound when things
> aren't tuned up right, or is that a "leak" hissing? as in bad gasket
> or seal somewhere....?
>
>
> ** Also - adjustment of the two screws under the carb does what?
> turning CW probably closes off something on each barrel - what is it
> closing off - fuel to the carb or air to the carb? Later today i'm
> getting it back on the water and messing with these, in hopes of
> improving things for the weekend. Wish i understood what they
> actually do when I turn them! As u can tell.....i barely know what
> i'm talking about.
>
> thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...
> > ] On Behalf Of jd
> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:45 PM
> > To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
> > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Wiring questions
> >
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Lee Shuster (lib1) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I'm now on a different computer with a larger screen and can more
> > > clearly see you photos.
> > >
> > > You have a stock GM-DELCO-OMC distributor with aftermarket (perhaps
> > > Pertronix?) electronic (pointless) ignition module. No points, no
> > > condensor, just the sealed electronic module, which requires the two
> > > wires: 1) red (+12) IGN ON power and it 2) black to DIST (-) coil.
> > > So most likely it's a Pertronix Ignitor (I) use the links I sent
> > > yesterday to further ID it. Perhaps a call to PerTronix support will
> > > verify the 46AB-V4 number?
> >
> > ok - good! saw what looked to be points under the black cap and
> > assumed it wasn't "pointless". So, sorry to be so redundant....but
> > the red wire to the pos of coil as it is now, same as going
> > straight to the ignition?
> > >
> > >
> > > These are good units and you simply now need to verify that the
> > > "brown stuff" is clean and free to move (don't loose the springs).
> > > (Flush it out with WD-40). The" brown stuff" is the rusty mechanical
> > > centrifugal advance, which works in conjunction with the vacuum
> > > advance (the silver can on the side of the distributor) Is there a
> > > vacuum hose hooked up to the can?
> >
> > no! and i've alway wondered why. asked mechanic and got the "u
> > don't need that" answer. i'll put a hose on it. where does the
> > other end go? any noticeable difference with and without in running?
> > >
> > >
> > > At this point (bad pun) just verify static ignition timing, since
> > > you don't have to worry about adjusting points dwell.
> >
> > i love this. always hated the thought of messing with the dwell
> > stuff.
> >
> > > I can't remember (look it up on Petronix) but Ignitor I vs Ignitor
> > > II offers different coil possibilities (with or without ballast).
> > > I'm guessing yours is the Ignitor I. It's also possible it's not a
> > > PerTronix as I think some others are out there as well.
> >
> > so with all this in mind.......in theory, since it starts, ran great
> > for first 20 minutes, since electronic points, since no dwell to
> > adjust........the weird acceleration stuff i am experiencing
> > (mentioned in todays separate email) should NOT be having to do with
> > timing? The ballast resistor is still in use. If I had the type
> > of pertronix that DIDN'T require the BR, yet mine was in accidentally
> > in use anyway....would that cause any noticeable running probs?
> >
> > feel i'm getting closer than ever to getting this baby running
> > solid.......
> >
> > jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lee Shuster
> > > utah
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:36 PM, jd wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Lee Shuster wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> JD,
> > >>>
> > >>> If you do a quick google on < DELCO 1110376 > and follow several
> > >>> links
> > >>>
> > >>> You will see that number references Delco distributors used on
> > >>> 1968-69 Jeep 225 V6's, as they were no longer being supplied to
> > >>> OMC by GM after Buick sold the tooling to Kaiser-Jeep. (A 1970 OMC
> > >>> engine, probably was really a leftover 1969.) So you most likely
> > >>> have a distributor that originally came with an OMC engine, I'm
> > >>> guessing that the 0910 sequence is a manufacturer's date code,
> > >>> maybe 09 = 1969 and 10 = October ??.
> > >>>
> > >>> I couldn't find any relevant hits on the 46AB-V4 part
> > >>>
> > >>> Pictures are NOT clear enough to see if you have points or
> > >>> Pertronix Ignitor replacement. You need to remove the rotor and
> > >>> look underneath it.
> > >>
> > >> sorry for the crappy photos -will get more out later tonight with
> > >> my real camera, but minimal time left at that point. that 2nd
> > >> shot is with the the rotor removed. the brown stuff is the
> > >> points. weird points, but points. brown it rusty metal.
> > >> some sort of centrifugal point system or something i think i
> > >> remember the mechanic mentioning.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> You also need to follow the red and black wires inside the
> > >>> distributor body to determine what's there.
> > >>
> > >> i need to verify, but i believe i remember seeing black went up to
> > >> the points, and red went to that rectangular black plastic part
> > >> with the white number sticker on the side. a condenser? i'll
> > >> verify wires.
> > >>
> > >> ok - so it's looking like, original distributor, aftermarket
> > >> weird points ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> <IMG_0469.jpg><IMG_0468.jpg>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> You most likely have the stock coil which requires the ballast
> > >>> resistor, refer to prior e-mail messages for how to measure the
> > >>> coil's primary resistance (with all wires removed).
> > >>>
> > >>> Again, a stock breaker points/condensor setup will only have a
> > >>> single wire coming from the (-) "DIST" side of the coil (and it's
> > >>> almost always a BLACK wire).
> > >>>
> > >>> Sounds like you got plenty of other issues. Sometimes it gets hard
> > >>> to isolate and troubleshoot one thing at a time.
> > >>
> > >> yeah - esp when you're trying to figure out what piece in the chain
> > >> does what. Now I know what the ballast resistor does!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Lee Shuster
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...
> > >>> ] On Behalf Of jd
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:21 AM
> > >>> To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
> > >>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Wiring questions
> > >>>
> > >>> yes, my boat has been "molested" , esp with distributors last
> > >>> summer, and has some non-stock things happening. But I
> > think
> > >>> the original distributer may have ended up back in there - I can
> > >>> tell
> > >>> because of the blue paint on it's base. Anyway......
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> JD:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1) What year is your boat (only applies to wiring COLOR changes)?
> > >>>> What Distributor do you have? More importantly what's inside your
> > >>>> distributor? (See item 3 below.)
> > >>>
> > >>> BOAT: '64 ENGINE: odd fire V-6 155 '70
> > >>>
> > >>> DISTRIBUTOR: Couldn't see any brand but little condensor
> > looking
> > >>> thing on underside of "points" says 46AB-V4, and the side of
> > dist
> > >>> body is stamped 1110376 9010
> > >>>
> > >>> HERE'S PHOTOS (taken with phone so kinda fuzzy):
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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