That is the price I paid. A better question is how many cubic feet of space
do you have to fill? That will be all you get. Brush up on the geometry.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...] On
Behalf Of Glenn Halweg
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:42 AM
To: omc-boats@...
Subject: Re: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
On the Fibre Glast web sit they sell it buy the LB, 19 LB, 9.5 cubic foot
kit is $99.95. Looking at their info they say 60 LBS of flotation for 1
cubic foot of foam at that rate it would require 4 kits to float a 2280 LB
boat.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Masters, Michael" <mmasters@...>
To: <omc-boats@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
> There is the issue with foaming first or filling the hole. There is a
> density issue. Yes, free pouring will give the lightest fill but if you
> want
> to go for strength and structure, filling the hole will give a much denser
> foam. At least this is what I read somewhere. I went through the whole
> measuring, calculating, high school geometry figuring and still used more.
> You are going to use more filling the hole. I used 4 gallons of mix, 2 of
> each. I poured some into the pontoons first before enclosing the floor and
> along some of the narrow tracks in the hull. These being the most
> difficult
> to fill. I set up 3 pours, one into each compartment along the stringers.
> I
> thought that 2 cans was good for 8 cubic feet. The fun part is that you
> have
> about 45 seconds to mix and pour before it starts to expand. And that
> depends on room temperature. The warmer the room, the faster it starts. A
> cold room and it does not expand as fast or as much. My experiments in a
> cold room left an inactive dense foam. It is a good idea to test and have
> someone with a watch calling out the time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]
> On
> Behalf Of Glenn Halweg
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>
> Thanks for the info! That's the same place Tom Klauber bought his. How
> much
> did you use for your boat? Was 9.5 cubic feet enough, that's the smallest
> size they offer. Would almost seem like to much.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Masters, Michael" <mmasters@...>
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>
>
>>I believe it was Fibre Glast in Ohio. Very quick service from them but I'm
>> in Buffalo so not very far to ship.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Glenn Halweg
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:15 AM
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>>
>>
>> Mike, where did you get the foam?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Masters, Michael" <mmasters@...>
>> To: <omc-boats@...>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:08 AM
>> Subject: RE: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>>
>>
>>>I went the other way on the re-foaming. I have a 1966 17' OMC Dual
>>>Deluxe.
>>> The foam was saturated and wouldn't dry so I removed everything down to
>>> the
>>> hull. Then I built a new floor, resined the seams and edges, and drilled
>>> holes to pour in 2 part foam. It filled the hull and raised the floor.
>>> Very
>>> solid and firm. Just wanted you to know that either method can work and
>>> that
>>> it can be very exciting working with 2 part foam.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Thomas Klauber
>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM
>>> To: omc-boats-digest@...
>>> Subject: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>>>
>>> I guess I didn't proof the text well enough! You need to make sure you
>>> don't
>>> over foam the hull as you will have to sand a lot of foam to get the
>>> floor
>>> back to the right level so the sides will fit back into place. You will
>>> become aware of this as you take things apart. I pulled the floor out
>>> and
>>> saved as much as I could to use as a template to cut the new plywood.
>>> Measure everything. Look at everything like seams and where the T nuts
>>> are
>>> placed - you need to measure their location so the seats will go back in
>>> proper position or otherwise you can mount the seats with wood screws.
>>> Don't
>>> screw them through the bottom! There will be a ghost edge at the floor
>>> and
>>> you don't want to fill above that level. You can leave 2-3 inches of the
>>> original foam at the edges to act as a ledge or level to know the height
>>> you
>>> need to refill. I think the factory put the floor in first and then
>>> injected
>>> the foam which expanded to fit the cavity. I did the reverse. I would
>>> pour
>>
>>> a
>>> small amount of foam and put plastic sheet and a board on top so the
>>> foam
>>> would expand just to the height I wanted. Remove the sheet which will
>>> not
>>> stick to the foam and do another section next to it.You figure it out as
>>> you
>>> go. The foam is a 2 part mixture you mix and pour and it expands rapidly
>>> and
>>> with some force. It is cured say in 5 minutes. I wanted my floor to be
>>> as
>>> close to original so I didn't have to re-engineer things. The whole
>>> project
>>> took months as I am slow but the end result is perfect. I used regular
>>> plywood and common fiberglass materials. I used materials from a company
>>> called Fibre Glast - they do a nice business on line and ship fast. You
>>> want
>>> to use fresh materials. Let me know if this helps or if you need more
>>> info.
>>> I could spend hours on this subject. TK
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "omc-boats-digest" <owner-omc-boats-digest@...>
>>> To: <omc-boats-digest@...>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:00 PM
>>> Subject: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> omc-boats-digest Monday, August 22 2005 Volume 01 :
>>>> Number
>>>> 367
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>> Re: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:08:00 -0400
>>>> From: "Thomas Klauber" <tklauber@...>
>>>> Subject: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>>
>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>>>
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>>>> I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue about 3 years ago. The entire hull is
>>>> = filled with foam. There are 2 longitudinal stringers and one gray
>>>> PVC = pipe connecting the front "bilge" area to the rear bilge. I used
>>>> a large = Forstner drill bit to remove the foam. Some of it had gotten
>>>> = waterlogged. The stringers go from front to rear.They are not
>>>> visible = and are sheathed in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to the
>>>> fiberglass = hull with fiberglass. Their main purpose I think is to
>>>> provide rigidity = to the hull and more important they are where the
>>>> engine mounts are = supported under the engine compartment deck. The
>>>> fiberglass floor you = see in the engine compartment is over foam and
>>>> is a separate piece and = is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch
>>>> it. The floor surface is = plywood covered with fiberglass. There are
>>>> screws going through the = floor to the stringers. The seats mount to
>>>> "T" nuts in the reverse side = of the plywood. The foam is easy to get
>>>> out really. It is a 2 part = polyurethane foam. Rebuilding is the hard
>>>> part and really quite simple = but you need to take as many
>>>> measurements/photos before you start and = during the disassembly so
>>>> things will fit back together. Dimensions at = the rear hatch and side
>>>> panels are tight and you don't want to make many = mistakes. The wood
>>>> surrounding my front bilge had rotted and that's what = go me started.
>>>> Email if you need further instructions. Tom
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>>>> charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2722"
>>>> name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue
>>>> about =
>>>> 3 years ago.=20
>>>> The entire hull is filled with foam. There are 2 longitudinal
>>>> stringers = and one=20 gray PVC pipe connecting the front "bilge" area
>>>> to the rear bilge. I = used a=20 large Forstner drill bit to remove
>>>> the foam. Some of it had gotten = waterlogged.=20 The stringers go
>>>> from front to rear.They are not visible and=20 are sheathed
>>>> in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to = the fiberglass=20 hull
>>>> with fiberglass.</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Their main =
>>>> purpose I=20 think is to provide rigidity to the hull and more
>>>> important they are = where the=20 engine mounts are supported under
>>>> the engine compartment deck. The = fiberglass=20 floor you see in the
>>>> engine compartment is over foam and is a = separate=20 piece and
>>>> is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch it. The floor = surface
>>>> is=20 plywood covered with fiberglass. There are screws going through
>>>> the = floor to the=20 stringers. The seats mount to "T" nuts in the
>>>> reverse side of the = plywood. The=20 foam is easy to get out really.
>>>> It is a 2 part polyurethane foam. = Rebuilding is=20 the hard part and
>>>> really quite simple but you need to take as many=20
>>>> measurements/photos before you start and during the disassembly
>>>> so = things=20 will fit back together. Dimensions at the rear hatch
>>>> and side panels are = tight=20 and you don't want to make many
>>>> mistakes. The wood surrounding my front = bilge=20 had rotted and
>>>> that's what go me started. Email if you need further=20 instructions.
>>>> Tom</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:24:06 -0500
>>>> From: "Glenn Halweg" <glennhalweg@...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>>
>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>>>>
>>>> Tom, you say rebuilding is the hard part and really quite simple.
>>>> What's = involved?=20
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: Thomas Klauber=20
>>>> To: omc-boats-digest@...=20
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:08 AM
>>>> Subject: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue about 3 years ago. The entire hull
>>>> is = filled with foam. There are 2 longitudinal stringers and one gray
>>>> PVC = pipe connecting the front "bilge" area to the rear bilge. I used
>>>> a large = Forstner drill bit to remove the foam. Some of it had gotten
>>>> = waterlogged. The stringers go from front to rear.They are not
>>>> visible = and are sheathed in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to the
>>>> fiberglass = hull with fiberglass. Their main purpose I think is to
>>>> provide rigidity = to the hull and more important they are where the
>>>> engine mounts are = supported under the engine compartment deck. The
>>>> fiberglass floor you = see in the engine compartment is over foam and
>>>> is a separate piece and = is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch
>>>> it. The floor surface is = plywood covered with fiberglass. There are
>>>> screws going through the = floor to the stringers. The seats mount to
>>>> "T" nuts in the reverse side = of the plywood. The foam is easy to get
>>>> out really. It is a 2 part = polyurethane foam. Rebuilding is the hard
>>>> part and really quite simple = but you need to take as many
>>>> measurements/photos before you start and = during the disassembly so
>>>> things will fit back together. Dimensions at = the rear hatch and side
>>>> panels are tight and you don't want to make many = mistakes. The wood
>>>> surrounding my front bilge had rotted and that's what = go me started.
>>>> Email if you need further instructions. Tom
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>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>> charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2722"
>>>> name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>> <DIV>Tom, you say rebuilding is the hard part and really quite =
>>>> simple.=20 What's involved? </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
>>>> black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtklauber@... =
>>>> href=3D"mailto:tklauber@...">Thomas=20
>>>> Klauber</A> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
>>>> title=3Domc-boats-digest@...=20
>>>> =
>>>> href=3D"mailto:omc-boats-digest@...">omc-boats-digest@...
>>>> e.c=
>>>> om</A>=20
>>>> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 22, 2005
>>>> = 7:08=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B>
>>>> [omc-boats] 69 Rogue = Hull</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT
>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue = about 3
>>>> years=20 ago. The entire hull is filled with foam. There are 2
>>>> longitudinal = stringers=20 and one gray PVC pipe connecting the
>>>> front "bilge" area to the rear = bilge. I=20 used a large Forstner
>>>> drill bit to remove the foam. Some of it had = gotten=20 waterlogged.
>>>> The stringers go from front to rear.They are not = visible and=20
>>>> are sheathed in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to =
>>>> the fiberglass=20 hull with fiberglass.</FONT><FONT face=3DArial
>>>> size=3D2> Their = main purpose I=20 think is to provide rigidity
>>>> to the hull and more important they are = where the=20 engine mounts
>>>> are supported under the engine compartment deck. The = fiberglass=20
>>>> floor you see in the engine compartment is over foam and is a =
>>>> separate=20 piece and is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch
>>>> it. The floor = surface=20 is plywood covered with fiberglass. There
>>>> are screws going through the = floor=20 to the stringers. The seats
>>>> mount to "T" nuts in the reverse side of = the=20 plywood. The foam
>>>> is easy to get out really. It is a 2 part = polyurethane foam.=20
>>>> Rebuilding is the hard part and really quite simple but you need to =
>>>> take as=20 many measurements/photos before you start and during
>>>> the = disassembly so=20 things will fit back together. Dimensions at
>>>> the rear hatch and side = panels=20 are tight and you don't want to
>>>> make many mistakes. The wood = surrounding my=20 front bilge had
>>>> rotted and that's what go me started. Email if you = need=20 further
>>>> instructions. Tom</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>
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