My 69 Rogue has vinyl covers over the original cushions, done by former
owner years ago and still looks good. The backs and seats are a pleated
pattern and the side panels are smooth and they connect along the break line
by a piping. A lot like a standard boat seat. I do not know the status of
the seats under the covers but I doubt they look good. My other Rogue
(double crazy) has original seats and they are rough looking. I cut plywood
panels to go under each seat bottom and ran paired 2X4's longwise to hold
the plywood in place between seat underside and frame.The fit is good but
not what I want for long term. Will figure that out another year. I do not
move the seats to flat position as that would be a lot of trouble. They ride
stiff but I can stand in them without fear of my foot going through the
whole seat bottom! Hope this helps some. Tom Klauber
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> omc-boats-digest Monday, May 17 2004 Volume 01 : Number
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> More Seat Restoration
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 06:38:34 -0600
> From: <lib1@...>
> Subject: More Seat Restoration
>
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> After giving the 66 Sportsman seat restoration project more thought, =
> here's what I've decided:
>
> Approach b) below. The four original seat frames and molded cushions are =
> being retained, but trimmed of their sharp flashing edges and repaired =
> for surface cracks. The "patio chair" webbing in the seat base is =
> discarded; replaced by a plywood base. Fitted vinyl covers are covering =
> the molded cushions. Type IV PFD's are retained under the seat frame, =
> retained by two snap-on straps.
>
> As a side note: When I pulled up the carpet I discovered T-bolts in the =
> floor for FIVE seating positions. The fifth being in the center rear =
> position. Anyone out there have a discarded 62 - 66 Seat frame and =
> mounting hardware they want to sell?
>
> I decided the original seat design is too cool to discard. It's part of =
> the boat's character and provides a lot of utility and flexability. I'll =
> post photos when it's done next week.
>
> Lee Shuster
> Salt Lake City
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: lib1@...=20
> To: omc-boats@...=20
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Original Seat Restoration (LONG)
>
>
> In talking with some local upholstery shops here's the options I can see =
> for the early 1962 - 1966 style OMC/E&J seats:
> (Some of this may apply to the 67 - 69 seats, as well)
>
> a) Toss out the original seat frames & factory injection molded foam =
> seat cushions and install either back-to-backs or pedestal seats from =
> B&M, Wise, Todd or Garelick. In my mind, this approach gives up a lot of =
> the boat's unique design appeal. These seats cannot be easily used on =
> shore and don't have the aircraft-inspired, underseat Type IV PFD. I'm =
> really trying hard to avoid this approach, but I have to admit it is the =
> most practical and affordable approach.
>
> b) Retain the original seat frames and attempt to reuse/recover the =
> original molded cushions. The bottom molded foam cushion does fit new =
> Type IV PFD's but the support webbing typically does need re-stringing. =
> Fortunately this material is readily available. Or a plywood bottom can =
> be inserted, doing away with the webbing. If desired the PFD cushion can =
> then be retained between the floor and the seat bottom with bungee cord =
> or by fitting a snap-on strap since there's not a room there for storing =
> much else. But you will need some new foam between the wood and the =
> molded cushion to sopport the area vacated by the PFD. The entire molded =
> cushion can be covered in new vinyl and and the wood base secured to the =
> seat frame with two locating "pegs," to prevent it from sliding off the =
> frame. Then the top molded cushion can be covered in a similar fashion =
> with new vinyl. If you've never removed the top (seat back) molded =
> cushion, a note of caution. It can be fairly stubborn, take care not to =
> destroy the foam trying to remove it. The top seat back frame does not =
> have the lawn-chair webbing, but a single rubber strap, which is likely =
> to have lost its stretchy tension. This approach is fairly labor and =
> materials intensive and will probably eat up $100 to $250 per seat, =
> possibly more at a pro seat shop.
>
> c) Retain the frames, ditch the molded cushions and bolt on a new =
> folding seat from B&M, Wise, Todd, or Garelick. The will set you back =
> $50 to $100 depending on the seat. I've test fitted the 20-inch wide =
> Garelick 350 and 360 folding seats and the are a good fit. Fairly cheap =
> and you can still remove the frames and use them on shore. If you don't =
> like 'em conver them to pedestal mounts later on. One big drawback is =
> the exposed seat back frame, which is curved at the top and looks ugly.
>
> Any other ideas or solutions that have worked well for others? One =
> thing, about seating on the first generation 16-footer's ---- they have =
> a shallow freeboard, so the seats are low to the floor to begin with. =
> The Sport-16 and Sportsman have the side rails which help, but I'm =
> curious to know if anyone has found the seat height to be an issue? This =
> issue was taken care of on the 2nd-gen (68-70) Sportsmans, SeaSport II's =
> and Revelers.
>
> Greg -- BTW -- What a beautiful 69 Sportsman! I like your re-bunking =
> the trailer for better weight distribution near the motor. Has it =
> hindered getting the boat on and off the trailer at all?
>
> Lee Shuster
> Salt Lake City
>
> "keep 'em floatin'"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Gregory B. Fell=20
> To: omc-boats@...=20
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Original Seat Restoration
>
>
> My seats are important to me, as well. I have the 1969 Evinrude =
> Sportsman (pictures are on the site). I am fortunate to have no cracks =
> in my vinyl. However, the webbing that you've described has basically =
> disintegrated on all of the seats. I was starting to sink in the =
> driver's seat. I knew it was just a matter of time before that extra =
> stretching caused by the lack of support caused irreperable harm. I =
> handled it by placing pieces of plywood under the cushion. It's pretty =
> firm, but better than no support at all. The frame had a lip on two of =
> the four sides, so I didn't have to drill any holes.
>
> Greg Fell
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-omc-boats@... =
> [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]On Behalf Of Mstvsnd@...
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:39 PM
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: Original Seat Restoration
>
>
> I don't know how you'd go about recovering the original seats. The =
> outer cover and color seems pretty integral to the seat itself.
>
> The work I've done on mine is limited to installing new web slings =
> on the frames to hold the flotation cushions, and repairing a couple of =
> cracks in the vinyl skin. To repair the cracks, I cut some vinyl =
> patches, worked them under the skin and applied epoxy to them through =
> the crack and them duct taped the crack closed until the epoxy dried, in =
> effect gluing them to the inside surface of the seat cover. This left a =
> visible "scar", but stopped the spread of the crack.
>
> I'll go to great lengths to preserve the original seats because =
> they're cool, and because I like the fact they're individually anchored =
> so I can use three, two or only one if I'm fishing alone.
>
> Mike Stevesand
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After giving the 66 Sportsman seat =
> restoration=20
> project more thought, here's what I've decided:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Approach b) below. The four original =
> seat frames=20
> and molded cushions are being retained, but trimmed of their sharp =
> flashing=20
> edges and repaired for surface cracks. The "patio chair" webbing in the =
> seat=20
> base is discarded; replaced by a plywood base. Fitted vinyl covers are =
> covering=20
> the molded cushions. Type IV PFD's are retained under the seat frame, =
> retained=20
> by two snap-on straps.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As a side note: When I pulled up the =
> carpet I=20
> discovered T-bolts in the floor for FIVE seating positions. The =
> fifth being=20
> in the center rear position. Anyone out there have =
> a discarded 62 -=20
> 66 Seat frame and mounting hardware they want to sell?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I decided the original seat design is =
> too cool to=20
> discard. It's part of the boat's character and provides a lot of utility =
> and=20
> flexability. I'll post photos when it's done next week.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lee Shuster</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Salt Lake City</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
> title=3Dlib1@... =
> href=3D"mailto:lib1@...">lib1@...</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Domc-boats@...=20
> href=3D"mailto:omc-boats@...">omc-boats@...</A> </DIV>
> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:30 PM</DIV>
> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Original Seat Restoration (LONG)</DIV></DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In talking with some local upholstery =
> shops here's=20
> the options I can see for the early 1962 - 1966 style OMC/E&J=20
> seats:<BR>(Some of this may apply to the 67 - 69 seats, as =
> well)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a) Toss out the original seat frames =
> & factory=20
> injection molded foam seat cushions and install either =
> back-to-backs or=20
> pedestal seats from B&M, Wise, Todd or Garelick. In my mind, =
> this=20
> approach gives up a lot of the boat's unique design appeal. These =
> seats=20
> cannot be easily used on shore and don't have the aircraft-inspired, =
> underseat=20
> Type IV PFD. I'm really trying hard to avoid this approach, but I have =
> to admit=20
> it is the most practical and affordable approach.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>b) Retain the original seat frames and =
> attempt to=20
> reuse/recover the original molded cushions. The bottom molded foam =
> cushion=20
> does fit new Type IV PFD's but the support webbing typically does need=20
> re-stringing. Fortunately this material is readily available. Or a =
> plywood=20
> bottom can be inserted, doing away with the webbing. If desired the PFD =
> cushion=20
> can then be retained between the floor and the seat bottom with bungee =
> cord or=20
> by fitting a snap-on strap since there's not a room there for storing =
> much=20
> else. But you will need some new foam between the wood and the =
> molded=20
> cushion to sopport the area vacated by the PFD. The entire molded =
> cushion can be=20
> covered in new vinyl and and the wood base secured to the seat frame =
> with two=20
> locating "pegs," to prevent it from sliding off the frame. Then the top =
> molded=20
> cushion can be covered in a similar fashion with new vinyl. If you've =
> never=20
> removed the top (seat back) molded cushion, a note of caution. It can be =
> fairly=20
> stubborn, take care not to destroy the foam trying to remove it. The top =
> seat=20
> back frame does not have the lawn-chair webbing, but a single rubber =
> strap,=20
> which is likely to have lost its stretchy tension. This approach is =
> fairly=20
> labor and materials intensive and will probably eat up $100 to $250 per =
> seat,=20
> possibly more at a pro seat shop.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>c) Retain the frames, ditch the molded=20
> cushions and bolt on a new folding seat from B&M, Wise, Todd, =
> or=20
> Garelick. The will set you back $50 to $100 depending on the seat. I've =
> test=20
> fitted the 20-inch wide Garelick 350 and 360 folding seats and the are a =
> good=20
> fit. Fairly cheap and you can still remove the frames and use them on =
> shore. If=20
> you don't like 'em conver them to pedestal mounts later on. One big =
> drawback is=20
> the exposed seat back frame, which is curved at the top and looks=20
> ugly.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any other ideas or solutions that have =
> worked well=20
> for others? One thing, about seating on the first generation 16-footer's =
>
> - ---- they have a shallow freeboard, so the seats are low to the =
> floor to=20
> begin with. The Sport-16 and Sportsman have the side rails which help, =
> but I'm=20
> curious to know if anyone has found the seat height to be an issue? This =
> issue=20
> was taken care of on the 2nd-gen (68-70) Sportsmans, SeaSport II's and=20
> Revelers.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Greg -- BTW -- What a beautiful 69 =
> Sportsman! =20
> I like your re-bunking the trailer for better weight distribution near =
> the=20
> motor. Has it hindered getting the boat on and off the trailer at=20
> all?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lee Shuster</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Salt Lake City</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"keep 'em floatin'"</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dgfell@... =
> href=3D"mailto:gfell@...">Gregory B.=20
> Fell</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Domc-boats@...=20
> href=3D"mailto:omc-boats@...">omc-boats@...</A> =
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 =
> 7:00=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Original Seat=20
> Restoration</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3D470305100-13052004><FONT face=3DArial =
> color=3D#0000ff><EM>My=20
> seats are important to me, as well. I have the 1969 Evinrude =
> Sportsman=20
> (pictures are on the site). I am fortunate to have no cracks in =
> my=20
> vinyl. However, the webbing that you've described has basically=20
> disintegrated on all of the seats. I was starting to sink in the =
>
> driver's seat. I knew it was just a matter of time before that =
> extra=20
> stretching caused by the lack of support caused irreperable =
> harm. I=20
> handled it by placing pieces of plywood under the cushion. It's =
> pretty=20
> firm, but better than no support at all. The frame had a lip on =
> two of=20
> the four sides, so I didn't have to drill any =
> holes.</EM></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3D470305100-13052004><EM><FONT face=3DArial=20
> color=3D#0000ff></FONT></EM></SPAN> </DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3D470305100-13052004><EM><FONT face=3DArial =
> color=3D#0000ff>Greg=20
> Fell</FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
> face=3DTahoma=20
> size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
> owner-omc-boats@... =
> [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]<B>On=20
> Behalf Of </B>Mstvsnd@...<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 =
> 7:39=20
> PM<BR><B>To:</B> omc-boats@...<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
> Original Seat=20
> Restoration<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
> lang=3D0=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I don't =
> know how you'd go=20
> about recovering the original seats. The outer cover and color =
> seems=20
> pretty integral to the seat itself.<BR><BR>The work I've done on =
> mine is=20
> limited to installing new web slings on the frames to hold the =
> flotation=20
> cushions, and repairing a couple of cracks in the vinyl skin. =
> To=20
> repair the cracks, I cut some vinyl patches, worked them under the =
> skin and=20
> applied epoxy to them through the crack and them duct taped the =
> crack closed=20
> until the epoxy dried, in effect gluing them to the inside surface =
> of the=20
> seat cover. This left a visible "scar", but stopped the spread =
> of the=20
> crack.<BR><BR>I'll go to great lengths to preserve the original =
> seats=20
> because they're cool, and because I like the fact they're =
> individually=20
> anchored so I can use three, two or only one if I'm fishing=20
> alone.<BR><BR>Mike Stevesand</FONT>=20
> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
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